Pros and Cons of Mail-in Voting

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What's happening here, have they announced the winners of the primaries yet?
Why the Botched N.Y.C. Primary Has Become the November ...
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Election officials in New York City widely distributed mail-in ballots for the primary on June 23, which featured dozens of hard-fought races. The officials had hoped to make voting much easier, but they did not seem prepared for the response: more than 10 times the number of absentee ballots received in recent elections in the city.

Now, nearly six weeks later, two closely watched congressional races remain undecided, and major delays in counting a deluge of 400,000 mail-in ballots and other problems are being cited as examples of the challenges facing the nation as it looks toward conducting the November general election during the pandemic.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and other officials are trading blame for the botched counting in the city, and the Postal Service is coming under criticism over whether it is equipped to handle the sharp increase in absentee ballots.

Election lawyers said one area of concern in New York City was that mail-in ballots have prepaid return envelopes. The Postal Service apparently had difficulty processing some of them correctly and, as a result, an unknown number of votes — perhaps thousands — may have been wrongfully disqualified because of a lack of a postmark.

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Thousands more ballots in the city were discarded by election officials for minor errors, or not even sent to voters until the day before the primary, making it all but impossible for the ballots to be returned in time.

In recent days, President Trump has also jumped into the fray, repeatedly citing the primary in New York City for his unfounded claims that mail-in voting is susceptible to fraud. There is no evidence that the primary results were tainted by criminal malfeasance, according to a wide array of election officials and representatives of campaigns.

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Still, candidates and political analysts are warning that government officials at all levels need to take urgent action to avoid a nightmare in November.

“This election is a canary in the coal mine,” said Suraj Patel, a Democrat running for Congress in a district that includes parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, who has filed a federal lawsuit over the primary.
 

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The last two paragraphs are an excellent reason for not having mail-in votes which means that Trump has been correct all along that it's not the way to go. While fraud or malfeasance may not be proven, doesn't mean there wasn't any and it certainly proves that it's not an option that should be considered at all.
 

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Election officials in New York City widely distributed mail-in ballots for the primary on June 23, which featured dozens of hard-fought races. The officials had hoped to make voting much easier, but they did not seem prepared for the response: more than 10 times the number of absentee ballots received in recent elections in the city.
Now, nearly six weeks later, two closely watched congressional races remain undecided, and major delays in counting a deluge of 400,000 mail-in ballots and other problems are being cited as examples of the challenges facing the nation as it looks toward conducting the November general election during the pandemic.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and other officials are trading blame for the botched counting in the city, and the Postal Service is coming under criticism over whether it is equipped to handle the sharp increase in absentee ballots.
Election lawyers said one area of concern in New York City was that mail-in ballots have prepaid return envelopes. The Postal Service apparently had difficulty processing some of them correctly and, as a result, an unknown number of votes — perhaps thousands — may have been wrongfully disqualified because of a lack of a postmark.
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Thousands more ballots in the city were discarded by election officials for minor errors, or not even sent to voters until the day before the primary, making it all but impossible for the ballots to be returned in time.
In recent days, President Trump has also jumped into the fray, repeatedly citing the primary in New York City for his unfounded claims that mail-in voting is susceptible to fraud. There is no evidence that the primary results were tainted by criminal malfeasance, according to a wide array of election officials and representatives of campaigns.
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Still, candidates and political analysts are warning that government officials at all levels need to take urgent action to avoid a nightmare in November.
“This election is a canary in the coal mine,” said Suraj Patel, a Democrat running for Congress in a district that includes parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, who has filed a federal lawsuit over the primary.
Wouldn't happen in the other 49 states.
 

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Published Aug. 3, 2020
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Election officials in New York City widely distributed mail-in ballots for the primary on June 23, which featured dozens of hard-fought races. The officials had hoped to make voting much easier, but they did not seem prepared for the response: more than 10 times the number of absentee ballots received in recent elections in the city.

Now, nearly six weeks later, two closely watched congressional races remain undecided, and major delays in counting a deluge of 400,000 mail-in ballots and other problems are being cited as examples of the challenges facing the nation as it looks toward conducting the November general election during the pandemic.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and other officials are trading blame for the botched counting in the city, and the Postal Service is coming under criticism over whether it is equipped to handle the sharp increase in absentee ballots.

Election lawyers said one area of concern in New York City was that mail-in ballots have prepaid return envelopes. The Postal Service apparently had difficulty processing some of them correctly and, as a result, an unknown number of votes — perhaps thousands — may have been wrongfully disqualified because of a lack of a postmark.

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Continue reading the main story

Thousands more ballots in the city were discarded by election officials for minor errors, or not even sent to voters until the day before the primary, making it all but impossible for the ballots to be returned in time.

In recent days, President Trump has also jumped into the fray, repeatedly citing the primary in New York City for his unfounded claims that mail-in voting is susceptible to fraud. There is no evidence that the primary results were tainted by criminal malfeasance, according to a wide array of election officials and representatives of campaigns.

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Still, candidates and political analysts are warning that government officials at all levels need to take urgent action to avoid a nightmare in November.

“This election is a canary in the coal mine,” said Suraj Patel, a Democrat running for Congress in a district that includes parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, who has filed a federal lawsuit over the primary.
Vote early , vote often .
 

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Shouldn't y'all be dropping an asterist to "Except Floriduh, where mail-in voting is perfect!" now that Mousseolini has spoken?
 
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While certain pockets of the country have seen their share of absentee-ballot scandals, problems are extremely rare in the five states that rely primarily on vote-by-mail, including the heavily Republican state of Utah.”
Well that's nice. It only matters in 5 States, everywhere else can fraud to their hearts desire.
 

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Good Afternoon,

The election is on October 26th. While the Saskatchewan Party is confident that in person voting at advance polls and on Election Day will be safe, Elections Saskatchewan has been working on mail in voting as an option for those who would prefer not to vote in person.

Premier Scott Moe and I are really counting on your support on election day — so if you are concerned at all about casting a vote in person, please consider voting by mail!

https://www.elections.sk.ca/voters/voting-by-mail/

We're going to need every vote we can get to keep Saskatchewan strong. I hope we can count on you!

Sincerely,
Patrick Bundrock
Co-Campaign Chair
Saskatchewan Party
 

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Reality check: A look at Trump’s recent claims on mail-in ballots

More broadly, voter fraud has proved exceedingly rare. The Brennan Center for Justice in 2017 ranked the risk of ballot fraud at 0.00004% to 0.0009%, based on studies of past elections.
Five states relied on mail-in ballots even before the coronavirus pandemic raised concerns about voting in person.
“Trump is simply wrong about mail-in balloting raising a ‘tremendous’ potential for fraud,” Richard L. Hasen, an elections expert at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, wrote recently. “While certain pockets of the country have seen their share of absentee-ballot scandals, problems are extremely rare in the five states that rely primarily on vote-by-mail, including the heavily Republican state of Utah.”
In an apparent turnabout, Trump later in the week urged voters in Florida to vote by mail despite his rhetoric against the practice, arguing in a tweet that its system is “safe and secure, tried and true.” Florida is a must-win state for Trump, where Democratic requests to vote by mail have been surging higher.

source: https://globalnews.ca/news/7259651/coronavirus-election-fact-check/

I guess NY, NJ, and Nevada are just outliers and not to be used as an example of what can go wrong.
 

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Judge voids 50,000 absentee ballot requests in Iowa county

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — A judge ordered an Iowa county Thursday to invalidate 50,000 requests for absentee ballots, agreeing with President Donald Trump's campaign that its elections commissioner overstepped his authority by pre-filling them with voters' personal information.

Judge Ian Thornhill issued a temporary injunction ordering Linn County Auditor Joel Miller to notify voters in writing that the forms should not have been pre-filled with their information and cannot be processed. Instead, they'll have to either fill out new requests for absentee ballots or vote on Election Day.

The ruling marks an initial victory for Trump's challenges to absentee voting procedures in three counties in Iowa, which is expected to be competitive in his race against Democratic nominee Joe Biden. They're part of an unprecedented legal battle involving dozens of lawsuits nationwide that will shape the rules of the election.

At issue was Miller’s decision to send absentee ballot request forms to 140,000 voters in July that were already filled with their personal information, including names, dates of birth and, most significantly, voter identification numbers.

Miller, a Democrat, has said his goal was to make it as easy as possible to vote absentee during a pandemic, as the virus spreads uncontrolled across the state.

Voters had to review, sign and return the forms to request ballots that will be mailed beginning Oct. 5. About 50,000 requests have been returned in the Democratic-leaning county, which is Iowa's second largest and is recovering from a derecho that devastated the region Aug. 10. The phone system for the county elections office remained out of service Thursday.

Thornhill ruled that Miller's mailing violated a “clear directive” from Iowa Secretary of State Paul Pate, who told county officials in July that absentee ballot request forms mailed to voters must be blank in order to ensure uniformity.

Thornhill, appointed by Democratic Gov. Chet Culver in 2009, ruled that the Trump campaign and Republican groups had legal standing to bring the case. He found that they demonstrated a likelihood of being harmed, noting that not all Iowa counties have the money to send out pre-filled absentee ballot requests.

He found that Trump and the GOP would likely prevail on the merits, saying Miller's decision to populate the forms sent to voters went against Pate's directive and the intent of the new law.

Thornhill acknowledged that extraordinary remedial measures will have to be taken under his order but that Miller's “words and actions show he was aware of the risk he was taking.” He said voters will not lose their right to vote and still have time to acquire absentee ballots in another manner.

The secretary of state has alleged that the mailing violated a law intended to protect personal information stored in government and corporate databases, and asked prosecutors to investigate.

It argues that Miller had no legitimate purpose to access voters’ identification numbers and share them with a vendor that processed the mailing. Attorney general’s office spokesman Lynn Hicks said the office hasn’t decided whether to open an investigation......More
 

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Um. . . no, as in Floriduh. See, the U.S. has fifty states (and seven territories), kinda like Canada has ten provinces (and three territories).
Floriduh is not New York or Wisconsin, just like Alberta is not Ontario or New Brunswick.


Now you're just being an ass!! I'm disappointed.
 

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Why can't people get of their ass and go down to their local voting place to vote? I don't understand why a mail in is even a consideration. I can see absentee ballots but a person has to request them in the U.S (from my understanding) which makes it a bit more reliable. I don't know how the voter registration is done in the U.S. but in Canada, it's via Tax Returns.

When you file your taxes, there is a place on the tax return that asks 1) are you a Cdn citizen and 2) if yes, do you want to send your info to Elections Canada. Before a vote, everyone is sent a "registration card" and when you vote at your local voting station, you need to bring the card with you to show the people who cross your name off the registration list. Unless your cat or dog files a tax return, there is little chance of voter fraud. Also, when one passes away, you file a Tax Return for the deceased and you need a "clearance certificate" to be issued by Revenue Canada who, in turn, notifies Elections Canada that you're 6 feet under. Thus, voter fraud is more unlikely (not to say there isn't any at all).

What the Dems are promoting definitely does make fraud a bigger issue in the U.S. simply by mailing out millions of ballots without any sort of verification makes it a stupid policy, especially if one wants a fair vote. But apparently it's all about taking power - screw the citizens if there are "a few' ballots that shouldn't be counted, but WTH, lets count them anyway.

As for Saskatchewan, their mail-in is likely a lot safer than any in the U.S. as experience in New York & Wisconsin is any indication (oh and Colorado too apparently). Just sayin...
 

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Why can't people get of their ass and go down to their local voting place to vote?
Well, in several elections I voted in (1978, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988, and 1990), it was because I couldn't get the leave and couldn't afford the plane ticket.

Can you imagine? Those lousy bastards wouldn't let me take a couple of days off from Desert Shield to trot back to Oklahoma and cast my ballot!

Jerks.
 

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Well, in several elections I voted in (1978, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988, and 1990), it was because I couldn't get the leave and couldn't afford the plane ticket.

Can you imagine? Those lousy bastards wouldn't let me take a couple of days off from Desert Shield to trot back to Oklahoma and cast my ballot!

Jerks.
Yes but you did request a ballot and made your vote count .