Priest found with pantless boy has been reassigned by Diocese 15 times since 1988

[PoliticalNick]

First, I dont believe your self serving study G. My experience and news reports lead to the fact that there is a much higher rate of pedophilia in the RCC than other institutions. I believe it it because a lot of the abusers were themselves abused and perpetuate the cycle. Where your beloved church screws up is not sending those caught or accused on their way out of the church or better yet to jail. This guy was moved 15 times and given 3 leaves of absence. That tells me he probably was at least accused of offending a dozen to 18 times. That is ridiculous and makes you wonder how many we havent heard about and until the church starts turning these people into the cops on the first accusation it will always be looked upon as a haven for child abusers.

 

[Goober]

First, I dont believe your self serving study G. My experience and news reports lead to the fact that there is a much higher rate of pedophilia in the RCC than other institutions. I believe it it because a lot of the abusers were themselves abused and perpetuate the cycle. Where your beloved church screws up is not sending those caught or accused on their way out of the church or better yet to jail. This guy was moved 15 times and given 3 leaves of absence. That tells me he probably was at least accused of offending a dozen to 18 times. That is ridiculous and makes you wonder how many we havent heard about and until the church starts turning these people into the cops on the first accusation it will always be looked upon as a haven for child abusers.

Facts speak for themselves- Your evidence is anecdotal.
G posted a study- science based - Refute the study with facts.

 

[hunboldt]

When was Celibacy brought into the RC Church? And the reasoning for it?

In SCandinavia , not yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3n_Arason

 

[karrie]

First, I dont believe your self serving study G. My experience and news reports lead to the fact that there is a much higher rate of pedophilia in the RCC than other institutions. I believe it it because a lot of the abusers were themselves abused and perpetuate the cycle. Where your beloved church screws up is not sending those caught or accused on their way out of the church or better yet to jail. This guy was moved 15 times and given 3 leaves of absence. That tells me he probably was at least accused of offending a dozen to 18 times. That is ridiculous and makes you wonder how many we havent heard about and until the church starts turning these people into the cops on the first accusation it will always be looked upon as a haven for child abusers.

The facts speak for themselves.... pedophilia is a pretty constant trait, no higher in the church. Celibacy doesn't cause pedophilia.

What IS an issue, is the habit of covering it up and moving pedophiles. The rest simply confuses the discussion with nonsense.

Pedophiles should never be put back into the position to reoffend. Popping them over to a diocese unaware of their proclivities is wrong, and is a practise that needs to stop.

 

[Sal]

So hundreds or more years after Jesus they decided upon this.
So in my opinion it could be changed.
Clergy of another faith, who are married and convert to the RCC stay married.

not only hundreds but it would seem that through half of the centuries marriage has been acceptable and sex either within the marriage or outside of it, quite common even to popes.

interesting

 

[PoliticalNick]

Facts speak for themselves- Your evidence is anecdotal.
G posted a study- science based - Refute the study with facts.

How about this for a fact.....the study only measures the rate of those being caught not the actual rate of offenses. Do you think they just brought people into a room and asked if they were pedos and everyone answered truthfully? They only look at the reported incidents and that is merely an indicator of how many will have the courage to come forward.

 

[karrie]

How about this for a fact.....the study only measures the rate of those being caught not the actual rate of offenses. Do you think they just brought people into a room and asked if they were pedos and everyone answered truthfully? They only look at the reported incidents and that is merely an indicator of how many will have the courage to come forward.

As opposed to the general population, where people jump and say 'me, me, I sleep with kids.'

 

[Goober]

How about this for a fact.....the study only measures the rate of those being caught not the actual rate of offenses. Do you think they just brought people into a room and asked if they were pedos and everyone answered truthfully? They only look at the reported incidents and that is merely an indicator of how many will have the courage to come forward.

Link the study and the parts you pick.
The as I mentioned your other evidence is anecdotal.

 

[#juan]

Celibacy has NOTHING to do with a person wanting sex with under age children and everything to do with preferring sex with under age children.

Are you sure that is what you wanted to type?

 

[gerryh]

Are you sure that is what you wanted to type?

Here....I'll say it slowly, and reword for your limited brain capacity.


Celibacy...... has....... nothing...... to .......... do........... with........a.......person........wanting..........sex...........with..........under.......age......... children....... while...... pedophilia....... has ...... every...... thing...... to.....do.....with...... preferring......sex...... with........... under........age....... children.

 

[The Old Medic]

In actuality, the percentage of Catholic Priests that are pedophiles is no higher than it is in any other church. It's just that the Priests, and the Catholic Church, get all the publicity.

I see articles about Protestant Ministers, Rabbi's, teachers, coaches, etc. being arrested for crimes against children, and they are usually a one time writeup. But, if a Priest is arrested, it gets written up day after day, after day.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Celibacy, or with homosexuality. Pedophiles are NOT aroused by adults, they are sexually attracted to children. Any position of authority or leadership of children tends to attract pedophiles.

The Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church have had married priests all along. They also have pedophiles, even married ones. So do all of the Orthodox Churches have married Priests, and they also have some pedophiles. (By the way, in both the Eastern Rites, and the Orthodox Churches, Bishop's are NEVER married, just as Bishop's are not married in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church

The Roman Rite has also instituted married Deacons, who are also ordained Ministers. They can marry people, do burial rites, etc. If the Pope does allow married Priests, the obvious move would be to put those married Deacons through a "Quickie" Seminary program, and ordain them as Priests. And, possibly allow some of the men that left the Priesthood to get married, to come back and function as Priests again.

I doubt if those already ordained, who have taken a vow of Celibacy would be allowed to choose. But Seminarians would be allowed to choose. I suspect that it would work like it does in the Eastern Rites and the Orthodox Churches, if you want to get married, you do so before you are ordained. If you want to try to advance and become a Bishop, you do not marry. In all cases, ordained ministers (Priests or Deacons) can not remarry if their wife dies, or they should get a divorce.

 

[#juan]

Here....I'll say it slowly, and reword for your limited brain capacity.


Celibacy...... has....... nothing...... to .......... do........... with........a.......person........wanting..........sex...........with..........under.......age......... children....... while...... pedophilia....... has ...... every...... thing...... to.....do.....with...... preferring......sex...... with........... under........age....... children.

This is what you typed gerry:
"Celibacy has NOTHING to do with a person wanting sex with under age children and everything to do with preferring sex with under age children".

 

[gerryh]

This is what you typed gerry:
"Celibacy has NOTHING to do with a person wanting sex with under age children and everything to do with preferring sex with under age children".

Ya, I know what I typed, and I know others knew what I meant, so I retyped just for you.

 

[#juan]

Ya, I know what I typed, and I know others knew what I meant, so I retyped just for you.

So retyping it excuses your sarcastic insults? P.O.

 

[gerryh]

So retyping it excuses your sarcastic insults? P.O.

have I ever asked to be "excused" for any insult I have handed out, sarcastic or otherwise?

 

[Goober]

Are you sure that is what you wanted to type?

He is well aware of what he typed. If you had a rebuttal then post it.
Why are you trolling him?

 

[PoliticalNick]

As opposed to the general population, where people jump and say 'me, me, I sleep with kids.'

That is not what I meant at all. Any study on such a subject is bound to be unreliable as there will only be a few who will admit to having been abused and even fewer who will admit to being an abuser. One also has to consider that quite often any study commissioned by a group with a vested interest will be skewed to benefit their particular point of view. So it is my belief that any study on pedophiles will not be accurate in any way especially if it is done by a group accused of containing and harboring the most pedophiles.

I also take into account the means of hiding or disguising the actions. A school teacher or sports coach doesn't have the same ability to enforce secrecy on the child as a priest who has the 'power of god' to hold over their victim.

 

[karrie]

So look for more studies.

Honestly, basing your impression off of media reports is flawed. They don't report on gropey uncles or pedo dads, because victims don't go to the paper.

 

[Sal]

So look for more studies.

Honestly, basing your impression off of media reports is flawed. They don't report on gropey uncles or pedo dads, because victims don't go to the paper.

ew I forgot about pedo dads of course they are pedophiles

 

[PoliticalNick]

So look for more studies.

Honestly, basing your impression off of media reports is flawed. They don't report on gropey uncles or pedo dads, because victims don't go to the paper.

It doesn't matter what study you look at it will be unreliable due to the fact we will only ever have results based on either those reported or convicted. The only thing we know for certain about the subject is that a majority of victims will never come forward.

Now in the Unholy Roman Catholic Church what we find that is different from other incidents is even when victims do come forward or abusers are discovered there is a systematic, institutionalized proclivity to attempt to keep it internal and hide the abuser somewhere they can find a whole new crop of victims instead of bringing the perpetrator directly to justice. This leads me to believe that there has to be far more incidents within the church than other institutions like schools because the school will bring forward the accuser every time whereas the church will not therefore if the reported incidents are about equal the church must have more total incidents because they hide as many as they can.