Priest found with pantless boy has been reassigned by Diocese 15 times since 1988
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Commentary: Celibacy should be rethought - CNN.com
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Surely he knows that Eastern Rite Catholic priests are allowed to marry and that the church welcomes into the priesthood married convert ministers from other Christian denominations. Surely he knows that in many parts of the Catholic world, clerical celibacy is openly flouted, and church authorities choose not to notice.
I wonder if church officials understand the burden they place on the shoulders of a man who believes he is called to priestly ministry but not to celibacy. Certainly, a married priesthood will have burdens of its own and, sadly, scandals of its own -- infidelity and abuse among others. But it should be left to the individual priest and seminarian to determine whether or not he is blessed with the gift of celibacy.
A.W. Richard Sipe, a former Benedictine monk who studies and writes about celibacy, estimates that 50% of Catholic clergy are sexually active at any given time.
Optional Celibacy
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Surely he knows that Eastern Rite Catholic priests are allowed to marry and that the church welcomes into the priesthood married convert ministers from other Christian denominations. Surely he knows that in many parts of the Catholic world, clerical celibacy is openly flouted, and church authorities choose not to notice.
I wonder if church officials understand the burden they place on the shoulders of a man who believes he is called to priestly ministry but not to celibacy. Certainly, a married priesthood will have burdens of its own and, sadly, scandals of its own -- infidelity and abuse among others. But it should be left to the individual priest and seminarian to determine whether or not he is blessed with the gift of celibacy.
A.W. Richard Sipe, a former Benedictine monk who studies and writes about celibacy, estimates that 50% of Catholic clergy are sexually active at any given time.
Optional Celibacy
and your point is what? That does not point to celibacy being the reason for pedophilia within the Catholic Church.
I do not believe the artical links them Spade. From his own mouth he says:
Father Canice Connors, a Franciscan priest who has spent years counseling priests accused of pedophilia, says that making celibacy optional might be a good move.
"I think there is evidence at times that people do enter the priesthood to hide from the realities of life," says Connors, who runs the St. Luke Institute in Maryland, a treatment center for pedophiliac priests. "But I think that is a very small number of individuals. And our task is to identify them."
It does not link them because celibacy does not 'cause' pedophilia. He says the life may attract people wanting to hide their sexual proclivities...that is a very separate idea.
"says celibacy can be a cloak of supposed purity that allows unhealthy priests to hide their sexual dysfunction."
First, it says "can be", not "is". Second, it does not say that celibacy within the Church is the reason for pedophilia. As has been noted previously, and has been backed up by studies that have been cited time and time again on this board, The rate of pedophilia with in the RCC is no different that outside the RCC. If celibacy was the reason for pedophilia within the RCC then why is the rate the same as outside the RCC?
Good post. I'd double green you if I could.
the difficulty with an artificial restriction on entry to the clergy is it weakens the 'other screens'.
Unfortunately, in the Catholic church we do have a core of hard line fanatics who come up with improbable solutions instead of seeing the obvious.
Not to mention people attempting to not give in to their proclivities.
I'm willing to bet plenty of pedos attempt to NOT be pedos.
Because if you couldn't sleep with women.... you'd diddle boys? Or, is it more likely, if you were a celibate priest, and you were going to sin, you'd find a woman to sin with?
Celibacy does not create pedophiles. In fact, saying that perhaps if there are so many pedophiles, they shouldn't be expected to be celibate, is kind of odd. Because if they're not celibate, it's not consenting adults that they're after.
NO. That is not what I was trying to say, or imply of juan. I was merely pointing out the obvious, that he would choose to break his vow of celibacy with women, not children.
*kicks gerry in the shin*
you grab a midol.
I've stood up for you when people have gone down that ridiculous road, and I'll stand up for juan too.
You go right ahead and stand up for him....... and it's not me that needs the midol...... no matter which way you look at it...it's PMS with you women...
pre menstrual
post menstrual
It's all the same crazy.
Is quisnam tentatio vacuus incentivus should perceptum ut recipero volley rursus.:roll:
So hundreds or more years after Jesus they decided upon this.
So in my opinion it could be changed.
Clergy of another faith, who are married and convert to the RCC stay married.
The Vatican's new secretary of state said this week that clerical celibacy is open to discussion, signaling a shift in approach for the Roman Catholic Church under Pope Francis.
"Celibacy is not an institution but look, it is also true that you can discuss (it) because as you say this is not a dogma, a dogma of the church," Archbishop Pietro Parolin said in an interview with Venezuelan newspaper El Universal. "The efforts that the church made to keep ecclesiastical celibacy, to impose ecclesiastical celibacy, have to be taken into consideration. One cannot say simply that this belongs in the past."
Parolin, who was named Cardinal Secretary of State late last month, is considered the most powerful official at the Vatican after Pope Francis.
According to the National Catholic Reporter, Parolin's comments "are raising eyebrows" in Rome, "with some wondering if they herald looming changes in Catholic teaching and practice."
But Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Holy See’s press office, told NBC News the comments were "in line with the teachings of the church."
It's not clear when celibacy became mandatory for priests, HuffPost Religion notes, but the first written mandate for chastity dates to 304 C.E., when Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira stated that all "bishops, presbyters, and deacons and all other clerics" should "abstain completely from their wives and not to have children."
And "a definitive ruling was handed down at the Second Lateran Council of 1139, which ruled that priests were forbidden to marry."
Parolin's admitted question of priestly celibacy represents “a great challenge for the pope."
In 2012, before becoming pontiff, Francis addressed the issue, saying he was in favor of maintaining the tradition "for the moment."
"It is a matter of discipline, not of faith," he said. "It can change."
Vatican: Celibacy in Catholic Church open for discussion
"Celibacy is not an institution but look, it is also true that you can discuss (it) because as you say this is not a dogma, a dogma of the church," Archbishop Pietro Parolin said in an interview with Venezuelan newspaper El Universal. "The efforts that the church made to keep ecclesiastical celibacy, to impose ecclesiastical celibacy, have to be taken into consideration. One cannot say simply that this belongs in the past."
Parolin, who was named Cardinal Secretary of State late last month, is considered the most powerful official at the Vatican after Pope Francis.
According to the National Catholic Reporter, Parolin's comments "are raising eyebrows" in Rome, "with some wondering if they herald looming changes in Catholic teaching and practice."
But Father Federico Lombardi, the director of the Holy See’s press office, told NBC News the comments were "in line with the teachings of the church."
It's not clear when celibacy became mandatory for priests, HuffPost Religion notes, but the first written mandate for chastity dates to 304 C.E., when Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira stated that all "bishops, presbyters, and deacons and all other clerics" should "abstain completely from their wives and not to have children."
And "a definitive ruling was handed down at the Second Lateran Council of 1139, which ruled that priests were forbidden to marry."
Parolin's admitted question of priestly celibacy represents “a great challenge for the pope."
In 2012, before becoming pontiff, Francis addressed the issue, saying he was in favor of maintaining the tradition "for the moment."
"It is a matter of discipline, not of faith," he said. "It can change."
Vatican: Celibacy in Catholic Church open for discussion