Presidential hopeful Santorum drops half N-bomb
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Yep, Google is your friend.
So would I (Just for ****s and giggles), I highly doubt he'll be clearing that up anytime soon.
I hear the word nigger so often, it's lost any offence. I can't be alone.
From nigger rigging, to bushnigger. The latter usually directed at me. Out of the mouths of a multitude of ethnic backgrounds, including black people. Whom I hear use the word incessantly!!!
I've found over the years though, that when a group of people become comfortable with one another, they let their hair down, and become less guarded about their commentary.
That doesn't mean that they are racist.
When Kooter was getting his tat done, my buddies father was there. Old guy, give you the shirt of his back, and he wouldn't care who the hell you were. Used the word nigger constantly, while we were discussing the quality of tradesmen these days. Kooter, wide eyed, kept looking at me and his Mom, in confused disbelief, because he isn't accustomed to hearing people talk like that. Once placed in context. he got it.
Oddly enough, the most racist things I hear/read, don't include names. It's more commonly myths and stereotyping that is thrown out, to insult. For the most part, the seemingly racial slurs I hear, are from friends/acquaintances, whom I know full well, hold no racial prejudices at all, and use said names endearingly.
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Ab-so-lutely! Words themselves are just words. It's the context in which they are said that hold the meaning.
The more subtle suggestions of reasonable sounding people who are perpetuating stereotypes or myths are far more insidious in my opinion. Because a lot of people don't recognize them for what they really are, it just slips under the radar. And that keeps the cycle going.
And, more importantly I think, that's why it's so important to highlight exactly how these folks are being racists or stereotypical.
Because the majority of folks don't pay that much attention and it builds up in the background. Next thing you know, people having been living with stereotypes being perceived as the truth all their lives and they end up believing it themselves. Of course, thinking would solve this but that's not something most people tend to do en masse.
In Santorum's case, not that long ago while talking about health reform and entitlements, he specifically mentions blacks, saying that he didn't want to "make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money."
There is no need to single out a group by skin colour, as his intentions shouldn't be dependent on the colour of a person's skin. It's stereotyping because he is specifically mentioning a group and the implication is that this group is inferior in some way (assuming he does want to make black people's lives better), they receive entitlements and welfare.
It would be no less of a stereotype if someone were to say Asians are smarter than Canadians. Asian education systems are typically much more strict and achieve better test scores, but that doesn't make Asians superior to Canadians.
He may not be outwardly racist, but he has certainly shown that he carries a prejudicial bias. That could be in his sub-conscious.
No there isn't a need to single out a group by skin colour, or by age, or by ethnicity, or by religious affiliation and the list goes on and on and on. If someone made the above quoted statement on the forum, I'd be all over that and frankly it sounds like something Dump the Monarchy would say. You'd only need to substitute "Indian" for "black".
And definitely the Asian stereotype you mentioned as well is indeed a stereotype. Stereotypes do typically come from somewhere, although they do tend to get horribly twisted from their 'grain of truth' (so to speak).
We all have preferences, bias, and a tendency to pre-judge others. The measure of ones character, in my opinion, is whether or not someone lets those bias rule or do they challenge them. Personally, I try to challenge mine whenever I can.
I've listened to the clip, personally in the context of the sentence it seems odd that he would be using the word 'nigger'. If I had to guess, I'd say it was more than likely the word 'negative' or a derivation on that word he was more than likely trying to spit out. Just based on the context of the sentence. Which is not to say that the man isn't a racist, he may very well be. Honestly I don't follow American politics closely enough to develop opinions on their politicians. Hell, I can barely drudge up enough interest in Canadian politics.
It's really context dependent. I'd say mostly no. Numbers by themselves are simply bigger and larger. When people start interpreting them with notions of superior or inferior groups, then yes that's racist. Stats don't tell the whole story. It's a powerful tool, but it's not the be-all end-all. My stats professors routinely made comments to trust our knowledge in biology to guide the statistics, not the other way around, and that is true for any type of study/investigation/analysis. It's an easy trap that many fall into, and unfortunately the power of statistics as a tool is easily abused.
Yep, sounds like something durrpydump would say.
Yes, but when he fumbled, he completely changed what he was saying, no correcting the misstep. If he had of done something like that, there wouldn't really be any doubt. But he went from talking about Obama, to talking about America after the verbal diarrhea.
Perhaps it seems odd or unfitting to us that he would say such a thing, because we don't make that kind of association?
Statistical information was never intended to be prima facie evidence. They are just bits and pieces of a really big puzzle that needs a lot more information (such as context for example) to complete the big picture. It's a shame that so many people use it as such.
Sure, fair enough. We could all be filling it in that way, either for or against the notion. Who can say for sure?
Definitely someone who aspires to lead a nation should not be making ignorant statements. That should be a no brainer. But I still believe that there is a difference between making an ignorant statement and being truly ignorant. And I mean ignorant in the true sense of the word. Not to say that they can't go hand in hand of course, because they can.
I do still believe that the more insidious perpetuation of racism is the more subtle one. Because it's so pervasive.
For all the media hype about Obama's election and the turning of the racism page in America, well anyone with more than two functioning brain cells knew that was just hype and pie in the sky sentiment.
Just look at all the crap out there, this from a blog comment the other day about the ongoing Zimmerman-Martin thing with Rep. Rush wearing a hoodie:
Just look at all the crap out there, this from a blog comment the other day about the ongoing Zimmerman-Martin thing with Rep. Rush wearing a hoodie:
I am well aware of the sins upon black people that my relatives of previous generations have visited upon these people. My question is simple. How long do we, as individuals who had nothing to do with it, have to pay for it?
I am totally sick of this polite game we play with the Black people in this country. They contribute absolutely nothing to this country. Instead, they suck this country dry by their dependency on welfare. They vote Democratic. What a surprise.
Please email me the first time black people in this country actually contribute something that makes this country better. And don’t tell me Obama was something they gave us that made this country better. I could shoot myself.
It's disgusting, vile, damned ignorant, and it's still as pervasive as before Obama was elected.I am totally sick of this polite game we play with the Black people in this country. They contribute absolutely nothing to this country. Instead, they suck this country dry by their dependency on welfare. They vote Democratic. What a surprise.
Please email me the first time black people in this country actually contribute something that makes this country better. And don’t tell me Obama was something they gave us that made this country better. I could shoot myself.
The logging camp I grew up in the 50s & 60s was like a mini multi-culti society jammed together. Any PC yuppie today would probably have a fit if they heard the terms all the different terms these people called each other on a regular basis. Often in their native language. As kids we learned most of them and their English translation. For the most part I don't think there was any particular venom in it since they all had to work and live together. Now there was some genuine hatred but mostly on a personal basis as in any large group forced together.
And I bet for the most part, if some outsider decided to mess with one, he ended up facing the majority too.
Just remember there is only 60 years that separate us from this.. and many feel the South will rise again..