Obama is doing the right thing. U.N. does diddly squat and those bastards aren't going to disappear on their own. Do we want another 9/11 hanging over our heads forever?
President Obama Reveals Afghan Strategy
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Obama is doing the right thing. U.N. does diddly squat and those bastards aren't going to disappear on their own. Do we want another 9/11 hanging over our heads forever?
Giving a timeline, though, gives Taliban/ Al Quaida/ boogeyman an idea how long they can go visit the relatives in Pakistan or Bin Ladin in his mountain chalet - and when it will likely be safe for them to come back and go about business unhampered.
First of all, I agree 100%....giving Obama the Peace Prize was an exercise in stupidity.......
Otherwise, you are soooo wrong...
By 1968, there were 569,000 US troops in Vietnam........think about that.......and they were aided there only by South Korea and Australia.
Now, and most importantly, provide us with an alternative.......criticism is easy, formulating effective policy is something else.... (as Obama is now learning!!!!)
Noooooo, I'm not.
Yeah, thanks for making my point, how did the surge in Vietnam work out?
An alternative? Get the hell out of there now. Osama wanted exactly what is happening now, a Quagmire that will help bankrupt the U.S.
As far as what happens to the people there when we go? I don't give a rats ass, if they can't get their **** together it's not our problem and I certainly don't want to spend lives and money to make it our problem.
Go ahead say 9/11 a few times, I won't fall for that trick. Did you know that you have to give Rudy Gulianni a nickle every time you do.:lol:
The enemy here is ego.:roll:
Seems you have a BIG one, ego that is.
No one said Hoo Haa when Obama was speaking at West Point like they yelled when George Bush Jr was speaking.
Not so the case, many support him on this...except the proposed end date. He put the end date in to placate his own party.
''I wonder if Hitler would have done anything differently if FDR & Churchill had announced a date when they would bring their troops home before they actually ended World War II in Europe?''
Hitler never had the luxury. He was beaten in FOUR years because the USA & UK armed Russia and the allies. This war has gone on for EIGHT years because Bush, and now Obama, still have not armed Afghanistan or mandated that it build its own army in order to fight.
Hitler would have loved it if FDR and Churchill hadn't armed Russia. He would easily have won the war.
Hitler never had the luxury. He was beaten in FOUR years because the USA & UK armed Russia and the allies. This war has gone on for EIGHT years because Bush, and now Obama, still have not armed Afghanistan or mandated that it build its own army in order to fight.
Hitler would have loved it if FDR and Churchill hadn't armed Russia. He would easily have won the war.
Add this to the list of things you know nothing about.
The Soviets used a little more to fight the Germans than trucks and spam...which is pretty much what we gave them.
Perhaps you should read a book... ANY BOOK ... on the Eastern Front during WWII and come back and tell us you've learned something.
Perhaps it's time for you to do your homework.
If only a few trucks were given, then explain this:
English Russia » American Weapons in Russian Army
Averill Harriman pledged billions in aid and kept his word. But as you are such an expert on the subject, you know that already.
If only a few trucks were given, then explain this:
English Russia » American Weapons in Russian Army
Averill Harriman pledged billions in aid and kept his word. But as you are such an expert on the subject, you know that already.
Do you have any clue on the scope of the battles fought on the Eastern Front between the Germans and the Soviets? While the Anglo-Allies were nipping at Nazi Germany's heels in Africa and Italy the Soviets were receiving the full force of Germany and tens of millions of it's civillians and soldiers were dying in the process in Hitler's "War of Annihilation" on the Soviets. It was not the Anglo-Allies lend lease program that beat the Germans on the Eastern Front it was tens of thousands of T-34s, KV-1s, IL-2s and millions of Soviet soldiers that gobbled up Hitler's elite army. The casualties on the Eastern Front dwarf the Western front. The Battles of Kursk, Stalingrad, Smolensk dwarf D-Day, El-Alamein, Market Garden etc. By the time the Anglo-Allies hit the beaches on D-Day the Germans were already being pushed back from Soviet territory.
So I restate, this is another topic which you know nothing about.
Who cares if it was a joke. He didn't give it to himself so I wouldn't blame the guy for receiving it. But the biggest criticism came from many members of the right who declared that it would interfere with his ability to make war decisions..that the prize was so important to him that he'd need to keep his peace image and would not take military action.
So once again I'll laugh at the far right, who are completely out of touch with reality. They make for good bs on the airwaves though.
I don't blame Obama either. The biggest critisism came from the right and left which basically stated...
"Nobel Peace Prize...for what?"
If some on the right said it would affect his war making decisions that does not mean it was the consensus of all on the right. I knew that both wars would go on... and they are.
I think the Nobel Committee hedged their bets and thought giving him this ahead of any accomplishments might get the results they wished. Just my opinion.
One thing I got from watching that speech is that he was putting the cadets to sleep:lol: probably because his people had the cadets waiting in the audience hours before the time of the speech...:roll:
ES, I hope you don't think I'm lumping you in with the 'far right'. I have always valued your opinion.
It could be that the Nobel Committee thought they could influence him. There is also a very different view of the world outside of the US. It sure looks like Obama has tried to give peace a chance, unlike the previous admin who couldn't wait to take a swipe at anyone. That probably weighs a lot, even though it might not back home.
No matter what anyone says now, it is now Obama's war. The big mistake he did was to give a timetable for withdrawal before any of the new troops arrived. Wonder how many Bush bashers are jumping off the Obama bandwagon now? Change, what change? How many more must die because of his indecision? Obama is just another politician who has shackled our troops. Some of those cadets looked very nervous at what he was saying, a few didn't even clap when he was done.
War is bad but not as bad as this continuous "festering" he will probably put to an end.