Practical ways to help the poor?

[Corduroy]

Well played

 

[highsticky]

Did you calls me for Anti White? I doesn't dislike white race.

Calling you for eastern race if you're ortodox Christian.

 

[Torch light]

I read in The Quran Interpretation:
There is the poor and the needy.
The poor: one who has job, but his income is not sufficient for him.
The needy: one who has no job and he is in much need.

So it is not stupid to increase the minimum wage; it is one way to help the poor, why not?

The other way is that you, that are not poor, should support the poor by giving the Zakat alms to the poor, so don't be miserly towards the poor.

The other way is to create jobs and encourage companies, by decreasing the tax, if it is high: the tax will strangle the work, while removing the tax will give more chances for work.

If work is better abroad, it is good to encourage the working abroad.

I agree also with OP concerning the restriction and prevention of alcohol, gambling, prostitution and the rest of dirty works (in addition to the usury.)

It is good for everyone if possible (and for the foriegners) to refrain from smoking, alcohol, drug addiction, gambling ..etc.

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The minimum requirement should be secured:
1- the dwelling: anyone should have a dwelling; if he has no home .. the government has to secure a home for him.
2- the basic livelihood: food should be supplied and maintained so that the poor will live.
3- the health service: should be free for the poor.
4- the buses, trains and public transportation should be free for the poor.

 

[Cannuck]

There exist different degrees of mental illness. For example, if all the help an alcoholic needs is to keep businesses that sell liquor hidden from public sight, then why not?

Good grief!

 

[White_Unifier]

I read in The Quran Interpretation:
There is the poor and the needy.
The poor: one who has job, but his income is not sufficient for him.
The needy: one who has no job and he is in much need.

So it is not stupid to increase the minimum wage; it is one way to help the poor, why not?

The other way is that you, that are not poor, should support the poor by giving the Zakat alms to the poor, so don't be miserly towards the poor.

The other way is to create jobs and encourage companies, by decreasing the tax, if it is high: the tax will strangle the work, while removing the tax will give more chances for work.

If work is better abroad, it is good to encourage the working abroad.

I agree also with OP concerning the restriction and prevention of alcohol, gambling, prostitution and the rest of dirty works (in addition to the usury.)

It is good for everyone if possible (and for the foriegners) to refrain from smoking, alcohol, drug addiction, gambling ..etc.

============================================================

The minimum requirement should be secured:
1- the dwelling: anyone should have a dwelling; if he has no home .. the government has to secure a home for him.
2- the basic livelihood: food should be supplied and maintained so that the poor will live.
3- the health service: should be free for the poor.
4- the buses, trains and public transportation should be free for the poor.

I don't agree with everything you said above, but most of it I agree with. An effective way to help the poor is to keep addictive products and services out of their site unless they choose to seek it out.

 

[Cannuck]

You're not particularly bright are you?

 

[White_Unifier]

You're not particularly bright are you?

How so?

I think Cordory is being polite. Banning things just because you don't like them won't make them go away, it will just drive them underground where the criminal element outside of government have control.
A hand up is the best process. Want welfare? Have to be enrolled in some kind of education even if it is just grade 12. Also have to pass a piss test or mandatory rehab.



The poor don't pay any taxes anyway so that won't help.

I never said ban them. I said keep them out of public sight. What would be the problem with requiring them to hide behind a front business? That way, an addict who's trying to quit can do so more easily without the constant reminder. Those who want it could still access it legally, just not at street level.

 

[darkbeaver]

Er... what?

I know that if I suffered addiction, I'd probably appreciate some of the recommendations in the OP.

So you want to addict them to recomendations and treatments. Nonsence you are addicted with a non remedy for poverty. The rich and risen are addicted to power. If they wanted to address poverty it would be to commit suicide. The poor are there for the rest of us to see and think of how close we are to thier station, a few thousand or hundreds away from poverty. The poor are already being adjusted by climate change. That will do a great deal of the eliminating the poor and hence poverty. It would destroy the economy.

 

[White_Unifier]

Speaking of raising the minimum wage, why not raise the minimum wage to 20.00/hour for any business that sells alcohol, nicotine, lottery tickets or other gambling, or other addictive product or service? If Wynne likes to raise the minimum wage, why not raise it there where it could do society some good?

 

[darkbeaver]

No law prohibits a financial institution from giving an addict more control over his finances, but I'm not aware of any financial institution at present that offers such a service. I tested it with my own institution as an experiment a few years ago. The best it could do was to lower my daily limit (and only to a minimum floor) for six months and then I'd have to go back to lower the limit again.

Also, I'd proposed Canada open its borders more since some Canadians might possess skills that aren't in demand in Canada but might be abroad. How is that a Victorian idea?

I also agree that we will always need people flipping burghers; but with more educated people with more options available to them, fewer would be applying to flip burghers and so their wages would naturally increase. Meanwhile, with more people in the skilled trades and professions, the costs of their services would decline and so reduce inflation in the economy. This too could benefit the poor.

And no, I'm not blaming the poor for their plight necessarily. Even many addicts are addicts through no fault of their own necessarily. That still doesn't change the fact that we should still try to help those who can help themselves to help themselves as much as possible and then focus the rest of our resources to those who can't.

You stress education and that of course is the most important aspect I think. When I was a younger kid there was vocational school.
Education is how we got to this mess of poverty. Everybody knows it,s education, if there,s a problem lets study it, even that is impossible today to a bad degree. Of course we have to help them, and we will do it for all time to come if we don,t get educated.

great topic by the way, I had a bit of poverty a while back, nothing serious just educational and very lean for a bit.

 

[White_Unifier]

Or do away with minimum wage altogether.

We could, as you said, do what Sweden has done.

It invloves.......UNIONS........Egad!

Singapore might be a better example. The government does invest heavily on trades and professional education for the unemployed, but it's not so unionized. Singapore even has a per capita income that's higher than Canada's.

 

[darkbeaver]

Or do away with minimum wage altogether.

We could, as you said, do what Sweden has done.

It invloves.......UNIONS........Egad!

Sweden is done because of what Sweden has done!

I had to smoke butts. I wonder if they can ignore that bit.

Sweden is crawling with ISIS and the continent, and who built ISIS? Stopping the war is the best fix for poverty don,t count on your elected twit in Parliament, you just elected a party animal to heaven. Heaven rules.

Teach them how to build thier own houses lesson #1. Your in Canada so you will need one of those. Find some wood, this countrys covered in the stuff. lesson #2 the majesty of a spade shovel, excavation, you will want to dig in because you live in Canada. Firewood, because you live in Canada.

 

[darkbeaver]

I,m a believer in primary education. In me early years all we did was colour cows and shjt like that, no sawdust whatever no mud no education.

In a poll taken some time ago it was demonstrated that 87.3 of educated responents did not know how to use a screwdriver, of any kind!

If you want to know how to burn something you should consult a skilled arsenist.

 

[taxslave]

I,ll need antifreeze.Close to an outlet?

Excellent distillery in Oyster Bay.

Addicts will just need help to kick the addiction. Restricting the advertising of addictive products and keeping businesses that sell such products and services out of sight (by legally requiring them to hide behind a front business and limiting their advertising to online only for example) could help with that.

The unskilled would just need more trades and professional education. The skilled or even semi-skilled whose skills are just not in demand in Canada might just need more open borders.

I don't think we need to help the moderately poor, but we do need to help the destitute. That said, I think the most efficient way to help the destitute is to help them help themselves as much as possible and then help them more than that only as required.



I'm not sure how easily a financial institution could program a debit card to buy only specific products and services. that would likely require a lot of work. I could see a financial institution more generally blocking access to businesses that sold any addictive product or service, though that would likely need government intervention to define such businesses, require such businesses to identify themselves as such to their financial institutions to be included in a list of addictive-products-and-services businesses, have financial institutions share this information, and then program client accounts so that a client could choose for himself whether he wants to block that category of business or not.

As for junk food, again, that would require extreme precision as far as I can tell. I'm not sure it could be easily programmed to that level of precision.



How so?

You really and truly know SFA about addictions. An addict will sell their dead grandmother's panties if it gets them a fix. Not a single one of your ideas has any basis in reality. Especially your half baked ideas about sex.

 

[darkbeaver]

Excellent distillery in Oyster Bay.



You really and truly know SFA about addictions. An addict will sell their dead grandmother's panties if it gets them a fix. Not a single one of your ideas has any basis in reality. Especially your half baked ideas about sex.

I won,t freeze then, that,s my biggest fear in life.

 

[Danbones]

I,m a believer in primary education. In me early years all we did was colour cows and shjt like that, no sawdust whatever no mud no education.

In a poll taken some time ago it was demonstrated that 87.3 of educated responents did not know how to use a screwdriver, of any kind!

If you want to know how to burn something you should consult a skilled arsenist.

Yeah I had Parents and relatives and neighbours and villagers who liked to drink.

We knew what screw drivers were at an early age.

...and Yes, skilled arsenists are great!
Ask a skilled Barsonist to make you a "slow comfortable screw up against the wall" some day

 

[darkbeaver]

Excellent distillery in Oyster Bay.



You really and truly know SFA about addictions. An addict will sell their dead grandmother's panties if it gets them a fix. Not a single one of your ideas has any basis in reality. Especially your half baked ideas about sex.

I was there with you until you mentioned reality, I think further discussion of that topic would serve the general mass of members. What do you suppose it really is?

 

[taxslave]

I was there with you until you mentioned reality, I think further discussion of that topic would serve the general mass of members. What do you suppose it really is?

Reality is an illusion brought on by the lack of alcohol.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yeah I had Parents and relatives and neighbours and villagers who liked to drink.

We knew what screw drivers were at an early age.

Yes, skilled arsenists are great!
Ask a skilled barsonist to make you a slow comfortable screw up against the wall some day

That young lady would kill me in a week at best.

Suicide might not be so bad afterall.

 

[Danbones]

ah yes TWO weak

but gonna try anyway