Post-secondary education in Canada ‘dysfunctional,’ report says

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Candace Elliott/Postmedia NewsTroubling trends in the Canadian education system can be reversed if the country adopts national standards for learning, a report released Tuesday suggests.


By Jordan Press
OTTAWA — Troubling trends in the Canadian education system can be reversed if the country adopts national standards for learning, a report released Tuesday suggests.
The Canadian Council on Learning, in its final report before it ceases to exist, says without a national oversight body for education, student achievement will continue to decline and undermine Canada’s economic competitiveness in the years to come.
“Canada is the only country that doesn’t have a national ministry,” says Paul Cappon, the council’s CEO.
And the principal reason for this, the report says, is “that our governments have failed to work together to develop the necessary policies and failed to exhibit the required collective political leadership.”
Education falls under the responsibility of provincial governments, with limited federal involvement, but Cappon says that relationship shouldn’t get in the way of what’s good for Canadians, which, he says, is similar to the dynamics of Canadian health care.
“The dysfunctionality of the health-care system costs lives, every week and every month,” says Cappon. “And the dysfunctionality in the education and learning systems costs Canada prosperity, costs opportunities for the young and the not-so-young: so of course, you can only overcome [the divide] if you want to and if there is political will do it.”
The federal-provincial dynamic decreases the quality of education in Canada from early childhood education through to post-secondary schools, aboriginal and adult learning, the council argues. A change is needed to get governments of all levels to work together to avoid further declines in student outcomes, the council says.
“Canada is slipping down the international learning curve,” says the report, titled What is the Future of Learning in Canada?
It says there currently is no way to measure the quality of services offered by post-secondary institutions; and that 42% of adult Canadians fall below the standard in literacy required internationally to be productive in an older society, according international standardized testing, in which Canada has been participating. The council estimates there will be three million moreCanadians below that level in 20 years, Cappon adds.
“To do something about it, you have to have a strategy. You have to say:‘This is what our goal is. To see [only] a proportion of people who should be below that level. This is how we’re going to go about it,’”Cappon says.
The CCL is calling for a council of ministers on learning, represented by federal, provincial and territorial governments and overseen by a national monitoring body on Canadian learning progress, which would be independent and would report to the council and to the public.
Cappon says if the European Union — with its 27 diverse countries — can work together to monitor and attempt to improve its citizens’ education, Canada, with its distinct provinces and territories should be able to do the same.
“Every five years, they set goals that each country should achieve and they score how well they achieve those goals both for the EU, as a whole, and for each of the countries.”
The Paul Martin Liberals created the Canada Council on Learning in 2004 with the help of federal funding. Last year, the Conservative government informed the council it was cutting its funding.
Its last report before the council closes its downtown Ottawa doors in March, is a swansong that must be heard, Cappon says.
“This is our legacy report and therefore, a very important one in which we summarized our main findings over seven years of work.”
The report ends with a plea for a similar-styled organization to become a national voice for education.
The report says problems in the education system begin at age five, with research indicating that one-quarter of children enter school without the skills needed to learn to read, write and perform math.
Issues continue to arise from kindergarten to Grade 12, the report says. Francophone students score worse than their anglophone counterparts; a growing number of boys are failing and dropping out of school; and there is a decline in international test scores. All this, the report says, can be traced back to a lack of national co-ordination on education.
“The absence of common, or shared learning outcomes among Canadian provinces and territories is the most important weakness of K-12 education in Canada — and is the single most-important reason for which our international standardized test scores will continue their decline,” the report says.
The most scathing critique in the report is saved for the post-secondary education system in Canada, which the council describes as highly “dysfunctional.”
According to the report, provinces prevent any federal involvement in developing national standards for a university and college education. National groups representing colleges and universities fill this “national policy vacuum,” the report says, and take the opportunity to advocate the interest of their members that “may or may not represent the public interest.”
Federal involvement in post-secondary education is limited to funding of research that has skewed the mission of universities and colleges, the report says, leaving schools able to focus on promoting the research profiles of their faculty rather than focusing on teaching students.
The result are schools with no quality assurance system, the report says.
“Canada is unique in the developed world for having no national strategy for [post-secondary education], no acknowledged and accepted goals, no benchmarks, and no public reporting of resulting based on widely accepted measures,” the report says.
With files from Mark Brennae, Postmedia News
 
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L Gilbert

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Lemme see, a national council suggests that a federal gov't that has allowed healthcare to deteriorate should get more involved with education across the territories and provinces. More bureaucracy in education. Brilliant. I think the problems lie with WHAT is being taught (or as literacy and numeracy stats show, not being taught) and what is interfering with that teaching, not with there being a lack of federal standards and bureaucracy. Concern isn't with kids; it's with teachers, education costs, salaries, nannying kids, etc., so the Council on Learning has a point, but is suggesting the wrong way to fix it, IMO. I think the provinces and territories could meet and discuss without the feds getting involved.
Time to ask why the education system is failing us
 

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Let the free markets reign. If a university can't perform, let it close - and get rid of tenure so profs can be laid off if they don't meet the demands of the market.
 

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Demands of the market.....

How long does it take to establish a university? How much in resources, organization, infrastructure, materials, training, staffing, instruction and testing procedures, curriculum development?
How long does it take "the market" to adopt a new buzz-word?
That equation doesn't look balanced to me.
 

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There is some merit to a national education strategy because of how transient todays society is. A family should be able to move from Nova Scotia to BC and have the kids within a day or tow of the same place in school.
The education system seams to be built around what educators want and think might be a good idea. WHat parents and business want/ require doesn't seem to enter into the equation. I think this is largely because educators for the most part have no other job experience, they tend to go from student to teacher with no work experience in between.
We spend far too much time and money on"Special Needs" kids at the expense of the best and brightest. Gifted programs in most schools suck while non educable kids complete with their own care aid suck money out of the classroom because integrating them is PC.
School districts are top heavy and dated with their management style. There is too much duplication of services that often a group of districts could share either with each other or other levels of government.
 

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LMFAO...families moving? Parents? Special needs? School districts?

Do even know what post-secondary means?

How old were you when you dropped out? 15? 16?
 

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The quality of post-secondary education does depend partly on the standard set for secondary school grading. The student intake of colleges, technical schools and universities is drawn from all parts of the country, and their graduates expect their certification to be valid in all parts of the country. Up to this point, 'the market' - i assume this means prospective employers - would agree with a national standardization.

Further considerations: The market is volatile. A Grade 9 student choosing his courses is doing it blind - even with the best possible guidance counsellor - because neither can predict what industry and commerce will still be in the country, using what technology, serving what consumer base, and following what managerial trends, 10 years down the line.
It is for this reason that educators need to design programs for all students to gain a general knowledge, the skills for acquiring new knowledge, and the mental agility to use it in any environment.
If you only teach to a job, don't bother teaching at all - the job won't exist by the time your student applies.
 

taxslave

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LMFAO...families moving? Parents? Special needs? School districts?

Do even know what post-secondary means?

How old were you when you dropped out? 15? 16?

I made it through gr 12 and vocational school. Two red seal trades as well as a couple of others that might as well be. Did you even go to school?
 

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Canada is the only nation where more than half of all adults had a tertiary education in 2010. This was up from 40 percent of the adult population in 2000, when the country also ranked as the world’s most educated. Canada has managed to become a world leader in education without being a leader in education spending, which totaled just 6.1 percent of GDP in 2009, or less than the 6.3 percent average for the OECD. A large amount of its spending went towards tertiary education, on which the country spent 2.5 percent of GDP, trailing only the United States and South Korea. One of the few areas Canada did not perform well in was attracting international students, who made up just 6.6 percent of all tertiary students -- lower than the OECD’s 8 percent average.


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According to these stats (as seen June 02/13) on The McLaughlin Group, Canada is 5th in Math - USA -25th - Science - Canada 5th - USA -17th




www.youtube.com/watch?v=szZnDGjJWu8
 

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Education has become a corporate racket. A very efficient way to ruin a country is education. Who makes your boots, your kitchen tables, who knits your socks, where does your food come from your cars you name it we don't build it and that friends and neighbours is directly the fault of modern retarded educational experts and out of touch management. It's been a complete success for the enemy. Bankers need to be sterilized. If you don't have a trade you ain't going to eat. What happened to farming? Hows your trip on the information highway going? Hows the service? Canada needs to ditch the false friends we made in the phoney global community. Schools are full of useless overpaid destructive agents of chaos. Purge them all and maybe in a decade we'll be able to start manufacturing.
 

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So a group that is being decommissioned is suggesting that without said group that things will go to h-ell in handbasket. Big surprise. But not necessarily true.
 

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