Pope visits Africa, reaffirms ban on condoms

[gerryh]

I'm not going to knock anyone's religion. This is a discussion forum.

I will add that I have a close relative who works for the Federal
Government as an Adjudicator (=Crown, defense, Jury, & Judge
all rolled into one person) with respect to the Residential School
fiasco in Canada. He's not the only Adjudicator doing this. He's
done this for a couple of years now, and he'll be doing this for
years to come. I can't (and won't) comment on the current state
of affairs, but "many" would have been an understatement in
Canada for several generations. With that in mind, is a percentage
relevant?

The percentages are pretty close to the percentages in the general public. In other words, there are no more pedophiles in the Catholic Preisthood than there are pedophiles in the general population. Yet..... people make the comments as if pedophilia runs rampat throughout the Catholic Preisthood compared to any where else. It's complete and utter bullshyte.

 

[CDNBear]

I just gotta ask one thing, as an observer here...what exactly does child abuse by Priests have to do with the Vatican not affirming the use of condoms in Africa?

Just curious...

 

[Ron in Regina]

Perhaps it goes back to the "position of trust" thing applied to Teachers
and Coaches, and Preachers, the Police, etc...

 

[gerryh]

I just gotta ask one thing, as an observer here...what exactly does child abuse by Priests have to do with the Vatican not affirming the use of condoms in Africa?

Just curious...

Absolutley nothing.... but when the Catholic bashers' arguments fall apart they tend to throw out straw men whenever possible.

 

[lone wolf]

Catholic bashing.... Isn't that like questioning?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I just gotta ask one thing, as an observer here...what exactly does child abuse by Priests have to do with the Vatican not affirming the use of condoms in Africa?

Just curious...

Plenty. The way Catholic Church handled the pedophile crises can only be described as sexually repressive. Instead of talking about child sex abuse openly and doing something about it, they simply transferred the pedophiles to another parish, to abuse all over again.

So this shows the sexually repressed worldview of the Church. Vatican saying don’t use condoms also represents the repressive worldview. Rather than talk about sexual practices, discuss various option, the advantages and disadvantages etc., Catholic Church has only one attitude, ‘just say no’.

It is all part of the same sexually repressed worldview of the Catholic Church. Sex is dirty, so save it for someone you love. Don’t talk about it (hence the recycling of pedophiles to from one parish to another), don’t do it. Or if you do it (as in sex with children), don’t talk about it.

 

[WindWalker]

I'm happy to say that the Pope is totally irrelevant in my world.

 

[Cannuck]

So this shows the sexually repressed worldview of the Church.

No it doesn't. It shows an organization intent on protecting its assets in an overly litigious society. It's not like the Church is the one and only example of attempting to hide wrong-doing.

It has nothing to do with condoms in Africa.

 

[petros]

Jesus saves, the Vatican invests.....

In an interview published in Money Week, Cardinal Edmund C. Szoka, the
Vatican's "finance minister", claims that The Vatican's assets are $5
billion. he adds that " Income to the Holy See from bishops' dioceses
has more than tripled from 1990 levels, to $22 million in 2000." he
also says, "That [$5 billion] doesn't include the Vatican City, which
has a separate financial statement. If property is used for Church
purposes and could never be sold, the value of it is considered 1
lire, or nearly zero." The City's assets are "The revenues in 2000
were $180 million. The net surplus was $22 million, but that
fluctuates greatly since we're responsible for the maintenance of all
buildings, and it's extremely costly. One year we have a profit of $1
million and the next year $10 million. We put the surplus in a
reserve, so we have it when the next work is needed" (Szoka refuses to
refer directly to the Vatican Bank's assets). <source:
http://www.wrns.org/parse.php?idd=4537>

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No it doesn't. It shows an organization intent on protecting its assets in an overly litigious society. It's not like the Church is the one and only example of attempting to hide wrong-doing.

It has nothing to do with condoms in Africa.

That is your opinion, Cannuck. In my opinion, it is all part of the same world view (sexual repression).

Though I must say, you must be a very devout Catholic indeed, if you are willing to excuse the Church’s behavior in the Priest sex abuse crises (shuffle the pedophiles from parish to parish, deny that the abuse ever took place, fight the victims of priest sex abuse in the courts tooth and nail etc.) by saying that the Church was just trying to protect its assets.



Presumably Church was just trying to protect its principle asset, priests which are in such a short supply, by moving the pedophiles from parish to parish, rather than disciplining them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Petros, Catholic Church is really like any big corporation, like AIG or Citibank (and about just as ethical).

 

[petros]

One can assume that regardless of doctrine pedophilia should be equal in al off the shelf religions.

 

[Cannuck]

if you are willing to excuse the Church’s behavior in the Priest sex abuse crises (shuffle the pedophiles from parish to parish, deny that the abuse ever took place, fight the victims of priest sex abuse in the courts tooth and nail etc.) by saying that the Church was just trying to protect its assets.

Did I say anything about excusing the behavior? Please point it out where I've said that or perhaps you could expand on your f*cked up logic that brought you to that conclusion.

 

[petros]

Petros, Catholic Church is really like any big corporation, like AIG or Citibank (and about just as ethical).

Vatican city is where the wealth sits that they refuse to talk about. If liqidated I'm sure the assets of the R.C. Conglomerate could end poverty overnight.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Did I say anything about excusing the behavior? Please point it out where I've said that or perhaps you could expand on your f*cked up logic that brought you to that conclusion.

If you cannot hold a civil dialog, if you cannot say anything without resorting to profanities, abuse and filth (does your Catholic Church teach you that?) I have no wish to discuss anything with you. Indeed, to resort to personal insults, personal abuse is the quickest way to terminate any dialog. In that you succeeded. Congratulations.

 

[gerryh]

ROFLMFAO.... typical response.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Vatican city is where the wealth sits that they refuse to talk about. If liqidated I'm sure the assets of the R.C. Conglomerate could end poverty overnight.

Perhaps, Petros. but then who wil keep the Holy Father and his entourage in champagne and caviar?

 

[petros]

Quoting petros Vatican city is where the wealth sits that they refuse to talk about. If liqidated I'm sure the assets of the R.C. Conglomerate could end poverty overnight.

Perhaps, Petros. but then who wil keep the Holy Father and his entourage in champagne and caviar?

Bizarre how the pater is hung up on matter.

 

[Cannuck]

If you cannot hold a civil dialog, if you cannot say anything without resorting to profanities, abuse and filth (does your Catholic Church teach you that?)

To begin with, I'm not Catholic. That's nothing more than your unsupported opinion that lacks evidence (I'm sure that sounds familiar).

Secondly, (and at the risk of sounding like a broken record) Did I say anything about excusing the behavior? Please point it out where I've said that or perhaps you could expand on your f*cked up logic that brought you to that conclusion.

No point trying to run away now. You have shot your mouth off. Time to back it up.

 

[petros]