Pope Francis- Another positive change

[darkbeaver]

Of course the pope is a lying scum bag the office demands those credentials at the very least. It is entertaining though to see the credulous the simple the bad and the hunchbacks compile a list of the new brooms glowing attributes which he has knotta one.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Of course the pope is a lying scum bag the office demands those credentials at the very least. It is entertaining though to see the credulous the simple the innocent and the hunchbacks compile a list of the new brooms glowing attributes which he has knotta one.

Ah, c'mon, Beav. Tell us how you really feel.

 

[darkbeaver]

Ah, c'mon, Beav. Tell us how you really feel.

Do you have cast iron ears?

 

[coldstream]

Nothing the Pope said was not outside of the doctrine of Catholic Church.. which rejects violence, malice, slander, isolation or rejection of homosexuals.

Personally i think the language was unfortunate... in using the term 'gay'.. an oxymoron in light of the tragic implications of homosexuality on many lives.. and as an off the cuff remark, not clearly linked to and contexualized within Catholic teaching on homosexuality.. which sees it as gravely disordered, sinful, willful and an intrinsic evil.. and within the freedom and responsibility of any individual to control and cast off.

Of course the Press ran with it.. portraying this as thin edge of wedge a process which will lead to homosexual affirmation and normalization, a married and/or homosexual priesthood, and blessing same sex unions.. which are impossible in the Catholic Church.

My guess is a clarificiation will have to issued, given the massive misinformation and propaganda that surrounds the issue. It has to be noted that the homosexual lobby have become standard bearers for the Culture of Death.. its shock troops at the forefront of dismantling marriage, trivializing sexuality to purely gratuitous references and demeaning the sacredness of life and thus it is at the centre of mammoth struggle for the soul of Western Civilization.

The gist of the Pope's remarks rejecting Drug Legalization as an easy and false panacea for the rampant drug problems in Latin America.. could well apply to homosexuality as well. Taking a permissive view to the soul devouring scourges of drugs.. or homosexuality.. will not produce ANY positive cures or long term solutions.

 

[petros]

Nothing the Pope said was not outside of the doctrine of Catholic Church.. which rejects violence, malice, slander, isolation or rejection of homosexuals.

And yet millions of gays and lesbians joined the Church because it was the only safe place to go. Go figure eh?

 

[Goober]

Do you have cast iron ears?

Nope- Brass balls though and let me tell ya, cold in the winter.

 

[darkbeaver]

The pope is simply the meaty bit of an gigantic institution devoted to growth and development, it has no heart it has no conscience and it will carve your balls off for the frost on them.

Threads like this were all the rage just before the dark ages.

 

[hunboldt]

The pope is simply the meaty bit of an gigantic institution devoted to growth and development, it has no heart it has no conscience and it will carve your balls off for the frost on them.

Threads like this were all the rage just before the dark ages.

Romans never did get a proper grip on internet fora...

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Romans never did get a proper grip on internet fora...

It was their O/S. Clunky, unreliable. Worse than DOS.

 

[Goober]

You've lost the argument.

The biggest persecutor of people for their religion in England was a Catholic monarch.

Nope.

TC handed you your a*s*s and head, both on a platter.

I do wonder if you see the irony in all of this?

 

[Mowich]

From the same article; quote:
But Anglicanism's problem is aggravated because it is primarily a tribal church (bolding mine), the offspring of the Church of England. It has traditionally been home to Canadians of Anglo-Saxon descent who increasingly have no ethnic identification with the church, said religious studies professor David Seljak of St. Jerome's University in Waterloo, Ont.
A similar problem burdens the Presbyterian Church - offspring of the Church of Scotland - which is losing adherents almost as quickly as the Anglicans.

My Mum was a Scotch Presbyterian and those folks take their religion seriously but with little if any joy. In order to marry my Dad she had to convert to Catholicism - something she embraced whole-heartedly. She loved all the trappings of the Catholic church, all the pomp and circumstance of the service - Midnight Mass being her favorite. After the austerity of the S.P. faith, she must have felt she was in wonderland.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

My Mum was a Scotch Presbyterian

Is that a Scot who favours Knox, or a Presbyterian who favours Scotch?

 

[Blackleaf]

My Mum was a Scotch Presbyterian and those folks take their religion seriously but with little if any joy. In order to marry my Dad she had to convert to Catholicism - something she embraced whole-heartedly. She loved all the trappings of the Catholic church, all the pomp and circumstance of the service - Midnight Mass being her favorite. After the austerity of the S.P. faith, she must have felt she was in wonderland.

I should have been a Catholic because my paternal grandfather should have been, but he was brought up Church of England instead. So my father was born Church of England and so was I.

But even had I been born Catholic I wouldn't have been brought up as one anyway. My mother doesn't approve of the Catholic faith so she still would have brought me up practising Anglicanism rather than Catholicism.

Dance, Alf, dance. I'm not arguing who was the biggest persecutor of whatever in England or anywhere else. I'm challenging your assertion that the Gunpowder Plot "started" (your word) the Catholic/Anglican hostility in England.

So far, you've tried dancing, dodging, and lying. I calculate your next move'll be to run away.

See ya.

The Gunpowder Plot went a long way to causing deep mistrust amongst the English people towards Catholicism.

But there were other mischiefs even before that by Catholics that helped to ensure distrust of Catholicism in England. Mary I's brutal persecution of Protestants (she burnt almost 300 Protestants at the stake in just five years); her unpopular marriage to the Catholic king of Spain; her attempts to reimpose Catholic superiority over England; and her attempts to forge an alliance with England's Catholic arch-enemies Spain and France also went some way to causing mistrust of Catholics in England.

The Catholics brought it all on themselves. There were very good reasons why there was a distrust of Catholics in England. It didn't happen for no reason. The Catholics were troublemakers.

 

[Goober]

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I should have been a Catholic because my paternal grandfather should have been, but he was brought up Church of England instead. So my father was born Church of England and so was I.

But even had I been born Catholic I wouldn't have been brought up as one anyway. My mother doesn't approve of the Catholic faith so she still would have brought me up practising Anglicanism rather than Catholicism.



The Gunpowder Plot went a long way to causing deep mistrust amongst the English people towards Catholicism.

But there were other mischiefs even before that by Catholics that helped to ensure distrust of Catholicism in England. Mary I's brutal persecution of Protestants (she burnt almost 300 Protestants at the stake in just five years); her unpopular marriage to the Catholic king of Spain; her attempts to reimpose Catholic superiority over England; and her attempts to forge an alliance with England's Catholic arch-enemies Spain and France also went some way to causing mistrust of Catholics in England.

The Catholics brought it all on themselves. There were very good reasons why there was a distrust of Catholics in England. It didn't happen for no reason. The Catholics were troublemakers.

Oh yeah- Them dammed Roman Catholics- Protestants meanwhile were all Angels.

 

[Blackleaf]

Oh yeah- Them dammed Roman Catholics- Protestants meanwhile were all Angels.

It wasn't the Protestants causing trouble in England. It was the Catholics.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It wasn't the Protestants causing trouble in England. It was the Catholics.

Any luck yet figuring out which came first, 1541 or 1605?

 

[Blackleaf]

Any luck yet figuring out which came first, 1541 or 1605?

As I've already said, the Dissolution of the Monasteries was completely justified and supported by the vast majority of people.

Catholic religious houses were corrupt dens of drinking, vice, immorality and sin which also held too much money and power. Henry VIII was right to bring them to heal.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

As I've already said, the Dissolution of the Monasteries was completely justified and supported by the vast majority of people.

Catholic religious houses were corrupt dens of drinking, vice, immorality and sin which also held too much money and power. Henry VIIL was right to bring them to heal.

Any luck yet figuring out which came first, 1541 or 1605?

And we dance to the music, and we dance.

 

[Blackleaf]

Any luck yet figuring out which came first, 1541 or 1605?

They were corrupt hotbeds of vice, sin and immorality, these Catholic religious houses. Henry should be applauded for bringing them to heal.

And remember, the Dissolution of the Monasteries happened right across Europe as people were getting fed up with the corruption and power of the Catholic Church. It was called the Protestant Reformation.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

They were corrupt hotbeds of vice, sin and immorality, these Catholic religious houses. Henry should be applauded for bringing them to heal.

Any luck yet figuring out which came first, 1541 or 1605, Dancer?