Polygamy - Off to the Courts to decide?

[gerryh]

Still stuck on those 3 - Well to tell you the truth I do not think anyone on this forum gives a fiddlers about them.

Now child brides, child molestation, child rape - And the ones getting married in Bountiful and other such so called religious communities, many are far from adulthood.
Reason i say this is you cannot get off that single 3some that has been posted.

Then get off the polygamy kick. What some are doing in Bountifull has nothing to do with polygamy and everything to do with child abuse. Charge them with the appropriate charge and stop "trying" to take the easy way out with the polygamy law. I see the same thing happening here with Polygamy as happened with the SSM debate and dragging pedophilia into that one.

 

[JLM]

Then get off the polygamy kick. What some are doing in Bountifull has nothing to do with polygamy and everything to do with child abuse. Charge them with the appropriate charge and stop "trying" to take the easy way out with the polygamy law. I see the same thing happening here with Polygamy as happened with the SSM debate and dragging pedophilia into that one.

There's one thing I have a problem with Gerry- Laws that can't or won't be enforced. I don't personally give a fiddlers F....... whether polygamy is against the law or not.........it doesn't affect me or anyone I know. But if it's not going to be enforced get it off the books and if it's going to be left on the books enforce it. If a person is allowed to break one law why shouldn't they be allowed to break a different one?

 

[Goober]

Then get off the polygamy kick. What some are doing in Bountifull has nothing to do with polygamy and everything to do with child abuse. Charge them with the appropriate charge and stop "trying" to take the easy way out with the polygamy law. I see the same thing happening here with Polygamy as happened with the SSM debate and dragging pedophilia into that one.

Making it lawfull will mean more of these cults, and that is all they are. It would make it more common.

 

[earth_as_one]

Still stuck on those 3 - Well to tell you the truth I do not think anyone on this forum gives a fiddlers about them...

The current law applied to these three would result jail time for the adults and their children being seized. So yes their situation is an important consideration regarding current polygamy laws. I'd rather my tax dollars and police time was not devoted to harming people I see as not bothering anyone else.

 

[Kreskin]

The ruling will be 'The BC Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to rule on the federal constitutional validity of civil provincial law". (or something like that)

 

[Goober]

The current law applied to these three would result jail time for the adults and their children being seized. So yes their situation is an important consideration regarding current polygamy laws. I'd rather my tax dollars and police time was not devoted to harming people I see as not bothering anyone else.

No it would not - They are not Married - Key legal term - In Bountiful they are - Key difference

The ruling will be 'The BC Supreme Court has no jurisdiction to rule on the federal constitutional validity of civil provincial law". (or something like that)

Court to decide if polygamy laws conflict with rights charter | Holy Post | National Post

Rather than drop the matter, the province settled on a court “reference” to determine the law’s validity. In a reference, opposing positions are put forward, usually before an appellate court that examines matters narrowly confined to law. This case was put before a lower court, so that raw evidence can be heard.
And there will be a lot of it. Forty binders of evidence will be stacked inside a downtown Vancouver courtroom on Monday. On one side of the room will sit lawyers for the Attorneys General. On the other will sit Mr. Macintosh, acting as Amicus Curiae, or “friend of the court.” It’s his job to argue that Section 293 is not consistent with Canada’s Charter.

B.C. court to decide whether polygamy is a protected religious practice - The Globe and Mail

A court-appointed amicus curiae – friend of the court – will argue that the law should be struck down because it breaches various sections of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including those providing for freedom of religion.
In addition, about a dozen groups have been granted “interested persons” standing in the case, and will be able to make submissions to the court.
Those parties include groups that support polygamy – such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the Canadian Polyamory Advocacy Association – and groups that are opposed, such as Stop Polygamy in Canada.

Whatever the ruling is - Off to the SCOC.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Polygamy should be banned. One wife or husband at a time. You can always move to another country and have as many spouses as you like. Like the burka, we shouldn't have to worry about this crap.

 

[gerryh]

Polygamy should be banned. One wife or husband at a time. You can always move to another country and have as many spouses as you like. Like the burka, we shouldn't have to worry about this crap.

One more reason to support Polygamy.

 

[JLM]

One more reason to support Polygamy.

The rationale being??????????????:smile:

 

[gerryh]

dumpy is against it.

 

[JLM]

dumpy is against it.

That's very debonair of you. :lol:

 

[gerryh]

That's very debonair of you. :lol:

I know this, next election I'm finding out which party dumpy supports and I'm voting for anybody but.

 

[JLM]

I know this, next election I'm finding out which party dumpy supports and I'm voting for anybody but.

He might not tell you Ger.......................(that he's going to vote Conservative) :lol:

 

[earth_as_one]

I support everyone's right to make personal adult decisions without interference.

I am against one person imposing their personal sense of morality on another.

 

[Goober]

I'd say its more like we can't paint every polygamist with the same brush, even polygamists from Bountiful. We've all heard stories about child brides and forced marriages, but I haven't seen any convictions. All I saw was two obviously polygamist men get charged with polygamy and the charges thrown out on a legal technicality. I don't care how many spouses someone has, but I do care about child brides, forced marriages and statutory rape. I also care about polygamy related benefits and custody issues, that at the moment remain undefined because of polygamy's current illegal status.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/RCMP+investigate+Bountiful+over+marriages+underage+girls/4350475/story.html
VANCOUVER — The RCMP has launched a new criminal investigation and is preparing to visit the Mormon polygamist community of Bountiful, B.C., following disturbing new evidence that eight young teenage girls, some as young as 12, were taken to the U.S. to marry older men.
In 2008, Wendy Wiens, team leader for the B.C. Ministry of Children and Family Development, received a fax from Angie Voss, a child protective services supervisor in Texas, outlining how a 13-year-old girl from Bountiful had been taken illegally to the United States by her parents and married to Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints leader Warren Jeffs.

 

[gopher]

I don't mind doing polygyny at all especially if I can have multiple wealthy wives.

 

[earth_as_one]

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/RCMP+investigate+Bountiful+over+marriages+underage+girls/4350475/story.html
VANCOUVER — The RCMP has launched a new criminal investigation and is preparing to visit the Mormon polygamist community of Bountiful, B.C., following disturbing new evidence that eight young teenage girls, some as young as 12, were taken to the U.S. to marry older men.
In 2008, Wendy Wiens, team leader for the B.C. Ministry of Children and Family Development, received a fax from Angie Voss, a child protective services supervisor in Texas, outlining how a 13-year-old girl from Bountiful had been taken illegally to the United States by her parents and married to Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints leader Warren Jeffs.

Marrying off 12 and 13 year old children is illegal. Statutory rape is illegal. These people should be charged with one of those crimes.

I am against bigamy laws which interfere with adults seeking fulfilling relationships on their own terms, like these people:
Flirtation, love, romance and polyamory | Radio Netherlands Worldwide

 

[petros]

Now what are the Blackmores doing? Just imagine how much we've shelled out in Child Tax Credit cheques to fund all these massive homes and acreages.

 

[earth_as_one]

Legally most of his wives are single mothers. If we recognize their polygamous marriages, we can treat their combined income as family income.

 

[petros]

2 single moms to a house with 10- 15 kids in each x 8 = they owe us money.