Police Missing a Knob

[EagleSmack]

There is such a backlog before the Courts that Court Officers see a lot of Law Enforcement pettiness as disrespectful too.

I can understand that. Cops can be jerks at times too. I gave an example up top and there are plenty more. One being drunk driving. Having a badge means you can drink and drive providing you don't hurt anyone. My pal was a State Trooper and he used to get wrecked and was constantly pulled over by local cops. FINALLY the Chief of the town he lived in sent the State Police a letter stating that if they pull him over one more time he's getting arrested. They can also break speeding laws as who is going to give them a ticket?

I don't know...I just think in this case Miss Bubbles got what she deserved and the cop gave her an opportunity to knock it off.

 

[Goober]

Agreed. I'm just saying though that the girl is also partly to blame for this. That's all I'm saying here. Unfortunately, the activist community seems to treat her like a hero for disrespecting another human being's private space by intentionally blowing bubbles into it.

Perhaps had I been a passer-by, I could have procured myself of such a bottle myself and started blowing bubbles at her too to see how she felt about it.

And Police Officer, Soldiers etc are supposed to be and are expected to deal with this - Myself I would have interacted or smiled and laughed - defuse, show you are not part of the evil empire - take away her opportunity to create a situation - undermine her ability to escalate - soon she tires and goes away.

 

[EagleSmack]

And Police Officer, Soldiers etc are supposed to be and are expected to deal with this - Myself I would have interacted or smiled and laughed - defuse, show you are not part of the evil empire - take away her opportunity to create a situation - undermine her ability to escalate - soon she tires and goes away.

I think you are underestimating Miss Bubbles. I bet she would have stayed right there. Do you think she has any respect for police? Do you thnk she would all of a sudden engage them in witty banter. She's an anarchist.

 

[Goober]

I think you are underestimating Miss Bubbles. I bet she would have stayed right there. Do you think she has any respect for police? Do you thnk she would all of a sudden engage them in witty banter. She's an anarchist.

Perhaps she may have stayed, perhaps she may have left - if she was an avowed anarchist - when not able to escalate a situation - they move on to better hunting grounds would they not?

 

[Machjo]

And Police Officer, Soldiers etc are supposed to be and are expected to deal with this - Myself I would have interacted or smiled and laughed - defuse, show you are not part of the evil empire - take away her opportunity to create a situation - undermine her ability to escalate - soon she tires and goes away.

I've already said I agree with you, and quite honestly I probably would have done the very same thing. As for my comment of blowing bubbles into her face myself, I was just making a point, not that I would really do that.

Yes, she's looking for attention, and had the police officer ignored it, it would have been a great victory for the cops since it would have made her look like a right idiot (though she did anyway) with the cops not distracting from that. That cop distracted attention from what she was doing and so turned the unthinking masses onto him. He wasn't thinking there and dropped the ball. Those with grey matter though can acknowledge they both handled the situation poorly.

Now, if we come at it from the standpoint that she's just an uneducated spoilt brat anyway, while he's a professional trained to handle these situations, then we could argue that the officer must take much more responsibility for his poor handling of the situation than the girl who can't be expected to know the meaning of the word 'respect'.

If we look at it that way, then yes, just like you can't hold a dog responsible for its actions, though the owner can be if he beats the dog, so the officer is to be much more responsible for his actions than some spoilt brat protestor.

 

[mentalfloss]

Agreed. I'm just saying though that the girl is also partly to blame for this. That's all I'm saying here. Unfortunately, the activist community seems to treat her like a hero for disrespecting another human being's private space by intentionally blowing bubbles into it.

Perhaps had I been a passer-by, I could have procured myself of such a bottle myself and started blowing bubbles at her too to see how she felt about it.

The real issue here is that this has nothing to do with being a police officer or an activist, but just about being a human being. The real 'lemming' was the officer in that he couldn't see any course of action outside what 'the law' has mandated for him. And that's the farce of it all.

The protestor probably knew he was a rigid stick and took advantage of the situation - good for her! Maybe we'll have more cops realizing that getting upset for blowing bubbles around them is something that doesn't require pandering to the eternal rule book. He had plenty of opportunity to maintain a civil discourse with the protestor, just like the cops in Huntsville did with their protestors.

 

[Goober]

The real issue here is that this has nothing to do with being a police officer or an activist, but just about being a human being. The real 'lemming' was the officer in that he couldn't see any course of action outside what 'the law' has mandated for him. And that's the farce of it all.

The protestor probably knew he was a rigid stick and took advantage of the situation - good for her! Maybe we'll have more cops realizing that getting upset for blowing bubbles around them is something that doesn't require pandering to the eternal rule book. He had plenty of opportunity to maintain a civil discourse with the protestor, just like the cops in Huntsville did with their protestors.

The 2 areas you mention cannot be compared - look at the numbers of demonstrators in TO and then in Huntsville - TO had the lions share.

 

[Machjo]

I think you are underestimating Miss Bubbles. I bet she would have stayed right there. Do you think she has any respect for police? Do you thnk she would all of a sudden engage them in witty banter. She's an anarchist.

To be fair though, the video shows only part of what happened. For instance, did the office ask her politely before the filming began? I don't know. If not, then that makes his situation even worse. If so, then what exactly did he say?

From the standpoint of basic psychology, you'll notice how after he'd spoken to her, she said something like 'I don't feel very respected'. He'd gone too far with the sarcasm there about his heart bleeding.She'd stopped blowing bubbles by then and he should have toned down. My guess is he'd lost his cool and that was an error on his part. But based on her response, my bet is that had he simply, from the beginning, requested kindly that she put the bottle away so as to show some respect for the personal space of the female, the girl might have acquiesced. Clearly based on her comment about not feeling respected, she does have some notion of respect and perhaps never considered that what she was doing was indeed disrespectful (believe it or not, some self-centred persons need to have it pointed out to them), and that had the officer simply kindly made her aware that he wasn't feeling very respected as a person (and not a police officer seeing that she's an anarchist and so would not respect his badge anyway), she'd likely have understood that vocabulary and responded appropriately.

So I think the officer, had he talked to her a little and come to understand how he mind works, could have turned that to his advantage.

 

[mentalfloss]

The 2 areas you mention cannot be compared - look at the numbers of demonstrators in TO and then in Huntsville - TO had the lions share.

Okay, that's fair. Hopefully this situation helps to move future G8/G20's to more rural areas. It's clear that there were huge ramifications in their greed to make this a tourist attraction.

 

[lone wolf]

I can understand that. Cops can be jerks at times too. I gave an example up top and there are plenty more. One being drunk driving. Having a badge means you can drink and drive providing you don't hurt anyone. My pal was a State Trooper and he used to get wrecked and was constantly pulled over by local cops. FINALLY the Chief of the town he lived in sent the State Police a letter stating that if they pull him over one more time he's getting arrested. They can also break speeding laws as who is going to give them a ticket?

I don't know...I just think in this case Miss Bubbles got what she deserved and the cop gave her an opportunity to knock it off.

Just going by the camera coverage, "Miss Bubbles" appears to have played her part well in baiting out an attitude. Roving shyte-disturbers are facts of life in just about any picket line. PC Bubbles wouldn't have fueled her propaganda machine had he maintained a disciplined smile and voiced some less strongly-worded warnings. That there would be protests was common knowledge. That the barricades and the resulting disruptions to everyday life within the city would be the source of resent among local people was also well known. Somewhere up above, someone chimed in with these aren't beat cops. Agreed ... but he, and the rest of his buddies, will have return to their beats. Thanks to the demonstration, the image of a friendly beat cop isn't quite so clear.

 

[Machjo]

The real issue here is that this has nothing to do with being a police officer or an activist, but just about being a human being. The real 'lemming' was the officer in that he couldn't see any course of action outside what 'the law' has mandated for him. And that's the farce of it all.

The protestor probably knew he was a rigid stick and took advantage of the situation - good for her! Maybe we'll have more cops realizing that getting upset for blowing bubbles around them is something that doesn't require pandering to the eternal rule book. He had plenty of opportunity to maintain a civil discourse with the protestor, just like the cops in Huntsville did with their protestors.

OK, let's ignore for a moment that she was an activist and he was a cop. If someone came up to me and started blowing bubbles at me, I might look at the person strangely at first. If the person persists, I'd politely yet firmly ask him to stop. And if he continued to persist, I'd likely ask his name so that I can nail him for stalking harassment, assault, or whatever will stick just to get the bugger off my ass.

And if he refused to give me his name, and continued to blow bubbles at me, eventually I would take him down and haul his as into to the police and certainly there would be some kind of law that would stick here.

There is a limit to everything. At one point or another it becomes harassment or stalking, plain and simple.

Looking at it that way, it has nothing to do with his being a police officer and her being a protestor.

As for her actually choosing him precisely because he has a short fuse, could that not be defined as stalking.

 

[L Gilbert]

Bubbles or no Bubbles...

These G8-G20 protesters are getting into exactly what they want to. They raise hell or block traffic and pretty much make a nuisance of themselves for the cameras. They run around with cameras filming police actions and are "simply shocked" to find the cops filming them! Standing directly in front of a cop and blowing bubbles into his/her face is not a normal activity. If you think it is please walk up to your local police officer on the street and see his reaction. Perhaps walk up to someone at a bar and just stand there and blow bubbles in their face for no reason and see their reaction.

I watched the long video, I am not sure if you all did. Seeing a guy yell out in the street...

"Where are your arrest warrants! Where are your warrants!"

...please. What kind of logic is that?

And Miss Piggy the lawyer. Geez.


With that said... I would like to kiss Miss Bubbles belly for a little bit. She's cute.



Ohhhh.... I don't know about that. She may have not felt threatened but I don't she was happy. Many a times I've seen someone grin before they take action...like a punch for example.

Do you think the female cop was enjoying Miss Bubbles action?


ORDER! WE WILL HAVE ORDER HERE!

I agree that there were quite a few people around that apparently had as adept of thought processes of toadstools, but that's not the point. I have known many many cops both as peers in public service and as friends. I'm pretty good at gauging them and the female cop was approaching the issue with the appropriate attitude. She was not going to let the girl see whether the bubbles were being a bother or not. After a few minutes of getting a smile as a reaction, the bubblegirl would have quit or else moved to someone she could annoy, if that was her purpose. The lamebrain with the attitude was sucked right into the vortex nose first and eyes wide open. The male cop's a moron. The lady cop was dealing with it with the appropriate amount of authority.

I still am of the opinion that he over reacted - inflamed a situation - and is in need of some retraining - police are trained to 1st defuse a posiible situation - all he did was aggravate it - a freaking disgraceful moment that for him will live forever on the net

Exactly.

-= I am sure his fellow officers are having a fun time with this and him.

If he was a rookie, then the issue will blow over with him being rided for a while. If he had a few years in, it'll stick to him like bubblegum to hair.

Where is the over reaction? If he maced her or gave her a wood shampoo with his nightstick I'd agree but he told her to knock it off.

She did. He pressed the issue and escalated the attitude.

 

[Machjo]

Okay, that's fair. Hopefully this situation helps to move future G8/G20's to more rural areas. It's clear that there were huge ramifications in their greed to make this a tourist attraction.

Rural areas would not have the necessary facilities to handle the G8 and G20. Personally, I'd say Canada should withdraw its membership from the G8 and G20. Failing that, the I'd say at least hold any future such summit on Canadian soil on a CFB. It would have the facilities and security already in place.

And I suppose a CFB in a rural area might have an advantage.

 

[L Gilbert]

I've just looked at a few other videos and it would seem that many police officers went on a power trip, and with Toronto being a major city, it would appear many passers-by had gotten swept up in the police power-trip. Fair enough, and perhaps a review needs to be done on that. That still does not change my opinion of the lady in the video in the OP. She was provocative, and while I'm sure the police had likely violated the law in arresting various others who had nothing to do with the protests or who were at least protesting n a more respectable manner, in the case of this particular girl, she was asking for it. We do have to look at it on a case by case basis, and the fact that the police abused their powers on many occasions during the G20 does not excuse the exceptions like her.

Regardless of her motives, she stopped when she was told and asked a question, the male cop escalated the issue. Cops have leeway in dealing with issues. They are NOT expected to just arrest anyone who makes a nasty face at them. The female cop was handling it in the appropriate manner by not allowing an escalation. The cop was itching for a confrontation after a couple of seconds. Even if an arrest of the girl was eventually warranted most of the cops I know would stick her in cuffs, put her in the unit, and let her stew for a while, then let her go after an hour or so.

I sincerely hope that all you police bashers will never have the need to have one on your side.

That would depend upon whether a cop "helping" me had his shyte together or not. I'd pick the lady cop for that over the bigmouth with attitude.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of folks with the childlike, blind faith in cops, posties, firefighters, etc. Cops are not machines, they are people, and as such are prone to human mistakes.

Machjo

Never meant to imply that she was innocent - She was trying to instigate a situation - with as little action or what would appear to be minimal actions on her part in order to get a negative response from the Police -

She succeeded - That was her role - Did it quite well - The Officer had his role - he failed.

He didn't fail. He did his job extremely poorly is all he did.

Says who?

Says who? He told her she was breaking the law, in a stern and authoritative manner. Where's the error in that?

No I don't. I know this is very much a criminal act.

It's assault whether you agree with it or not. I might suggest you right your MP and have the criminal code changed to exempt bubbles. Until then, it's a criminal act.
Again, a matter of perspective. I actually surprised you see it this way though. And I'm not trying to be negative.
Actually, I think the opposite. I thought Cloutier acted as he was ordered and didn't react. But he wasn't being confronted at that moment, with a crime.

Fair enough.

Actually, badass bubblehead cop said if a bubble touched either of them it would be assault. Not sure on the law but it isn't assault till then. She was probably only committing a misdemeanor of some sort, public mischief or something.

Agreed. I'm just saying though that the girl is also partly to blame for this. That's all I'm saying here. Unfortunately, the activist community seems to treat her like a hero for disrespecting another human being's private space by intentionally blowing bubbles into it.

Perhaps had I been a passer-by, I could have procured myself of such a bottle myself and started blowing bubbles at her too to see how she felt about it.

Great. Another person that likes escalating issues.
Oh, the dreaded bubble. A wave of a hand can dispense with any that actually become annoying. I didn't even see the female cop doing that so the issue was being dealt with properly.

I think you are underestimating Miss Bubbles. I bet she would have stayed right there. Do you think she has any respect for police? Do you thnk she would all of a sudden engage them in witty banter. She's an anarchist.

rofl Yeah a teenaged anarchist? IMO, it had nothing to do with anarchy and a lot to do with a kid seeing where boundaries are.

 

[CDNBear]

Actually, badass bubblehead cop said if a bubble touched either of them it would be assault.

Yep, which I already knew.

Not sure on the law but it isn't assault till then.

Yep, hence the warning.

She was probably only committing a misdemeanor of some sort, public mischief or something.

Not even if memory serves me correctly.