Palestine gets ICC membership

[gore0bsessed]

So Hamas is genocidal even though majority of Palestinian civilian deaths were caused by Israel?

 

[Colpy]

So Hamas is genocidal even though majority of Palestinian civilian deaths were caused by Israel?

 

[gore0bsessed]

I debated with a wall once when I was on PCP and it put up better arguments than you.

 

[EagleSmack]

I debated with a wall once when I was on PCP and it put up better arguments than you.

Well that explains a hell of a lot!

Click and SAVED!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So Hamas is genocidal even though majority of Palestinian civilian deaths were caused by Israel?

Yep. Intent to wipe out a people is genocidal intent. That one is not very good at it is immaterial. Just as murderous intent is murderous intent even if you're such a bumbling fool that all you do is cut yourself with the knife when you strike.

That's why attempted murder is a crime.

 

[Goober]

Hamas and the PLO can be investigated as well.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well that explains a hell of a lot!

Click and SAVED!

So, for a new nickname for goreobsessed, I'm thinking "Angel" or "Dusty."

What do you think?

 

[EagleSmack]

They are both pretty good.

Maybe Gore has a preference?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

They are both pretty good.

Maybe Gore has a preference?

I like "Dusty." Here's a good avatar pic:

 

[Goober]

Just a little longer... Israel just needs another twenty years and this will be a non issue,

And UN 242 it does not mean Israel must return to 67 borders.
Note Palestinians are not mentioned.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Secretary of State Dean Rusk commented on the most significant area of disagreement regarding the resolution:

There was much bickering over whether that resolution should say from "the" territories or from "all" territories. In the French version, which is equally authentic, it says withdrawal de territory, with de meaning "the." We wanted that to be left a little vague and subject to future negotiation because we thought the Israeli border along the West Bank could be "rationalized"; certain anomalies could easily be straightened out with some exchanges of territory, making a more sensible border for all parties. We also wanted to leave open demilitarization measures in the Sinai and the Golan Heights and take a fresh look at the old city of Jerusalem. But we never contemplated any significant grant of territory to Israel as a result of the June 1967 war. On that point we and the Israelis to this day remain sharply divided. This situation could lead to real trouble in the future. Although every President since Harry Truman has committed the United States to the security and independence of Israel, I'm not aware of any commitment the United States has made to assist Israel in retaining territories seized in the Six-Day War.[9]

n an address delivered on September 1, 1982 President Ronald Reagan said:

In the pre-1967 borders Israel was barely 10 miles wide at its narrowest point. The bulk of Israel's population lived within artillery range of hostile Arab armies. I am not about to ask Israel to live that way again...

So the United States will not support the establishment of an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and we will not support annexation or permanent control by Israel.

There is, however, another way to peace. The final status of these lands must, of course, be reached through the give-and-take of negotiations; but it is the firm view of the United States that self-government by the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza in association with Jordan offers the best chance for a durable, just and lasting peace.

It is the United States' position that - in return for peace - the withdrawal provision of Resolution 242 applies to all fronts, including the West Bank and Gaza.

When the border is negotiated between Jordan and Israel, our view on the extent to which Israel should be asked to give up territory will be heavily affected by the extent of true peace and normalization and the security arrangements offered in return.

Finally, we remain convinced that Jerusalem must remain undivided, but its final status should be decided through negotiations.[13]

But Jordan is. If they had not been sucked into a war by Syria and Egypt those borders would NOT have changed for Jordan.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Yep. Intent to wipe out a people is genocidal intent. That one is not very good at it is immaterial. Just as murderous intent is murderous intent even if you're such a bumbling fool that all you do is cut yourself with the knife when you strike.

That's why attempted murder is a crime.

Perhaps written intent at best, never put in to practice.

In 2009 representatives of the small Jewish sect Neturei Karta met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Gaza, who stated that he held nothing against Jews but only against the state of Israel.[260]

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Perhaps written intent at best, never put in to practice.

Of course not. Those Katyusha rockets are meant as gestures of friendship and goodwill.

In 2009 representatives of the small Jewish sect Neturei Karta met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Gaza, who stated that he held nothing against Jews but only against the state of Israel.[260]

Maybe he should revise the charter, then.

 

[Zipperfish]

Yep. Intent to wipe out a people is genocidal intent. That one is not very good at it is immaterial. Just as murderous intent is murderous intent even if you're such a bumbling fool that all you do is cut yourself with the knife when you strike.

That's why attempted murder is a crime.

Yes Hamas apparently wants all Jews dead, but don't really manage to kill very many at all. Israel apparently avoids civilian casualites and yet manage to kill them by the thousands. I believe Kurt Vonnegut would have said Poo-tee-weet.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yes Hamas apparently wants all Jews dead, but don't really manage to kill very many at all. Israel apparently avoids civilian casualites and yet manage to kill them by the thousands. I believe Kurt Vonnegut would have said Poo-tee-weet.

Israel has stated that when the rockets stop, its retaliation stops. We've never had a chance to test that, because the rockets have never stopped.

 

[gore0bsessed]

I wonder what will stop the rockets?

Perhaps ending the aggressive colonization?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I wonder what will stop the rockets?

Perhaps ending the aggressive colonization?

Could be. Though I ain't aware of too much aggressive colonization of Gaza.

 

[gore0bsessed]

They couldn't in Gaza, Israel already taken enough land and squeezed the population into such a small area to make it one of most densely populated areas in the world. That's also convenient for the IDF when they go on their bombing campaigns.
The West Bank however has plenty of room for settlements which Netanyahu will take.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

They couldn't in Gaza, Israel already taken enough land and squeezed the population into such a small area to make it one of most densely populated areas in the world. That's also convenient for the IDF when they go on their bombing campaigns.
The West Bank however has plenty of room for settlements which Netanyahu will take.

Ah, so your point is the Gazans, who live in Gaza, not the West Bank, and are ruled by Hamas, where the West Bank is ruled by Fatah, which Hamas hates, are firing rockets and enduring retaliation for the sake of people in the West Bank.

OK, got it.

 

[Colpy]

Perhaps written intent at best, never put in to practice.

In 2009 representatives of the small Jewish sect Neturei Karta met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Gaza, who stated that he held nothing against Jews but only against the state of Israel.[260]

And exactly how stupid would you have to be to believe that?

Stupid enough to:

Have Che Guevara as a personal hero? (Even though you know nothing about him)

To be a 21st century Marxist? (Although youi know nothing about the philosophy)

To think that Islam is no more violent than any other religion?

 

[darkbeaver]

Israel has stated that when the rockets stop, its retaliation stops. We've never had a chance to test that, because the rockets have never stopped.

So I guess what you're saying is that it's ok to murder semite women and children as long as they aren't Jewish. I wonder where hat rag you read that "rocket stop" sop. that's real old GFY