Pace says he..........won't apologize

[EagleSmack]

There ARE restrictions when you put that uniform on yes.......you knew it when you signed up.......your drill seargents told you over and over again you have NO opinions. You are a piece of meat owned by the US government. They will feed you your opinion on a need to know basis.

You know what... you really have no clue on the military. After each post I read I see more and more that your view of a service man or woman and what they are taught is skewed.

My Drill Instructors trained us to follow orders and be obedient... instant obedience to orders. Not once we we told that we were a piece of meat owned by the US Govt. The DI's also had more important things to do than tell us over and over that we have no opinion. Believe me, as an Infantryman in the 6th Marines we had LOTS of opinions. However we still did what we were told.

 

[normbc9]

After reading the full context of general Pace's comments about this subject all he did was relate what values he was taught by his parents when growing up. That is now a part of his moral fabric. Many may be offended by his statement but he did have a childhood suoervised by oparents how possessed vakues consistent with the society we lived in at that time. He still enjoys his First Amendment right as all American s do whether he is in uniform of other dress. His views are just as freely expressed as those who have other values. Look at Barney Frank, Mark Leno, Rosie O'Donnell and so forth. In my mind there is no separate distinction between any of them. They are all Americans freely expressing their moral values and views.

 

[talloola]

After reading the full context of general Pace's comments about this subject all he did was relate what values he was taught by his parents when growing up. That is now a part of his moral fabric. Many may be offended by his statement but he did have a childhood suoervised by oparents how possessed vakues consistent with the society we lived in at that time. He still enjoys his First Amendment right as all American s do whether he is in uniform of other dress. His views are just as freely expressed as those who have other values. Look at Barney Frank, Mark Leno, Rosie O'Donnell and so forth. In my mind there is no separate distinction between any of them. They are all Americans freely expressing their moral values and views.

I agree that,he has a right to any personal opinion he wants, my only concern is that he was giving a personal opinion with his military
uniform on, and somehow that seems to confuse many as to, the military stand/opinion and his
opinion. I think he should have left out completely, any opinion that is 'his' or 'the militarys' and
leave those statements to those with that responsibility in the military, and give his personal
opinions in 'his' living room, or other personal settings. The subject is a little too volatile to
bring in any kind of confusion, as many people have strong opinions, and react in many different
ways. A small mistatements such as 'his', started a big controversy, which didn't have to happen.
He is a very wellspoken man, very intelligent, and should have know better.

 

[#juan]

Brilliant management in that army, alienate fifteen to forty percent of your workforce and expect moral to skyrocket hahaha what a circus of loosers.

Darkbeaver, gays make up less than two percent of the population. That general is a dolt, but the numbers are nowhere near that high.

 

[EagleSmack]

Darkbeaver, gays make up less than two percent of the population. That general is a dolt, but the numbers are nowhere near that high.

General Pace is a dolt? Why because he said something that you disagreed with?

I would match his resume against yours any day.

 

[EagleSmack]

General Peter Pace

Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs of Staff

General Peter Pace was sworn in as sixteenth Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sep. 30, 2005. In this capacity, he serves as the principal military advisor to the President, the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Council, and the Homeland Security Council. Prior to becoming Chairman, he served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. General Pace holds the distinction of being the first Marine to have served in either of these positions.

General Pace was born in Brooklyn, NY and grew up in Teaneck, NJ. A 1967 graduate of the United States Naval Academy, he holds a Master's Degree in Business Administration from George Washington University and attended Harvard University for the Senior Executives in National and International Security program. The General is also a graduate of the Infantry Officers' Advanced Course at Fort Benning, Ga.; the Marine Corps Command and Staff College, in Quantico, VA; and the National War College, at Ft. McNair, Washington, DC.

In 1968, upon completion of The Basic School, Quantico, Va., General Pace was assigned to the 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division in the Republic of Vietnam, serving first as a Rifle Platoon Leader and subsequently as Assistant Operations Officer. He was later assigned to Marine Barracks, Washington, DC, where he served in a number of billets, to include Security Detachment Commander, Camp David; White House Social Aide; and Platoon Leader, Special Ceremonial Platoon.
General Pace has held command at virtually every level, and served in overseas billets in Nam Phong, Thailand; Seoul, Korea; and Yokota, Japan. While serving as President, Marine Corps University, then Brigadier General Pace also served as Deputy Commander, Marine Forces, Somalia, from December 1992 - February 1993, and as the Deputy Commander, Joint Task Force - Somalia from October 1993 - March 1994.

After an assignment as the Director for Operations (J-3), Joint Staff, Washington DC, then Lieutenant General Pace served as the Commander, U. S. Marine Corps Forces, Atlantic/Europe/South. He was promoted to General and assumed duties as the Commander in Chief, United States Southern Command in September 2000.

As the Vice Chairman from October 2001 to August 2005, General Pace served as the Chairman of the Joint Requirements Oversight Council, Vice Chairman of the Defense Acquisition Board, and as a member of the National Security Council Deputies Committee and the Nuclear Weapons Council.
General Pace's personal decorations include: Defense Distinguished Service Medal, with two oak leaf clusters; Defense Superior Service Medal; the Legion of Merit; Bronze Star Medal with Combat V; the Defense Meritorious Service Medal; Meritorious Service Medal with gold star; Navy Commendation Medal with Combat "V"; Navy Achievement Medal with gold star; and the Combat Action Ribbon.
General Pace and his wife, Lynne, have a son, Peter, a daughter, Tiffany Marie, and a daughter-in-law, Lynsey Olczak Pace.

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Yeah what an idiot!​

 

[karrie]

his daughter's name is tiffany, that says it all right there. moron. lol.

that being said, having military experience and a list of rank and credentials, doesn't mean someone's not a dolt, nor does it even necessarily mean they deserve that list. Look at the presidency of the United States for crying out loud... that should be one of the most prestigious titles in the world, reserved for persons of the highest moral fiber and intellect.... and yet there sits Bush.

 

[tamarin]

And yes we've been gifted here with any number of dolts in parliament. There's something in being a politician that draws the less than savoury like sharks. Gays need to get a life. They're constantly in the public's face. They obviously want special status: you'd almost think they were all members of the PQ.

 

[#juan]

General Pace is a dolt? Why because he said something that you disagreed with?

I would match his resume against yours any day.

And you would do the judging right? Meaningless.

 

[Tonington]

Perhaps they wouldn't constantly be in the public forums if they weren't consistantly belittled by public figures...Special status = having more rights and privileges, who is the group with special status here?

 

[karrie]

And yes we've been gifted here with any number of dolts in parliament. There's something in being a politician that draws the less than savoury like sharks. Gays need to get a life. They're constantly in the public's face. They obviously want special status: you'd almost think they were all members of the PQ.

special status how exactly?

You've piqued my interest, since I've only ever heard gays ask for equal rights, not special status.

 

[tamarin]

Gays, of course. For their numbers, their representation in the media and their complaints in the press seem remarkably out of whack. I am not the least interested in what they have to say anymore. Like most of us, they should learn to shut up.

 

[tamarin]

If I'm to be equal I'll need a national Heterosexual Rights Day, official or not. A national Anti-Heterophobic Day, official or not. Separate parades to mark special occasions with boobilicious babes flaunting it on Main Street. Of course, this will mean one for St. Pat's Day. Can't forget requests ad nauseum to include heterosexual specific events at all major festivals and events. And, surely, Heterosexual Pride t shirts for the hot summer months. And that's just a start.

 

[selfactivated]

This is why I should stay out of political threads.....I try to stick to what I KNOW. I LIVE in Richmond Virginia where within 100 miles radius we have every military base possible.....I talk to men in uniforms, We talk about the state of the union and I think Im well informed on their oppinions and lifestyles. I also was raised around military men, now at 43 those oppinions and statememts are outdated but I still feel well informed......That man did nothing less or more than what the dixie chicks did on a different subject and THEY were crusified. U.S. GENERALS have NO oppinions to be aired in public......PERIOD. And thats the last of my oppinion because Youngun Ive been around long enough to KNOW things your just now experiencing.

 

[karrie]

Gays, of course. For their numbers, their representation in the media and their complaints in the press seem remarkably out of whack. I am not the least interested in what they have to say anymore. Like most of us, they should learn to shut up.

That's probably because it's not only homosexuals speaking out. Much like the way that not only blacks spoke out against segregation. Straight people are speaking out for their rights too. I'm straight, but I'm certainly not about to shut up about the rights my friends and family deserve.

 

[tamarin]

And what pray tell are those rights and what are the concomitant responsibilities? Make it brief. You know how short tempered I am with long responses.

 

[karrie]

And what pray tell are those rights and what are the concomitant responsibilities? Make it brief. You know how short tempered I am with long responses.

Oh dear. well, if you're so ill tempered, I'd best not post to you at all. I'd hate to risk sending the wrong sort of information and irritating you. you know how wordy I can get. I'm renowned for my long drawn out posts.

 

[tamarin]

There you go again! For what you had to say, Karrie, four sentences too long! If gays simply abandoned the banner of victimhood they might get a helluva lot more sympathy.

 

[Tonington]

If I'm to be equal I'll need a national Heterosexual Rights Day, official or not. A national Anti-Heterophobic Day, official or not. Separate parades to mark special occasions with boobilicious babes flaunting it on Main Street. Of course, this will mean one for St. Pat's Day. Can't forget requests ad nauseum to include heterosexual specific events at all major festivals and events. And, surely, Heterosexual Pride t shirts for the hot summer months. And that's just a start.

If you feel that is a notion worth while perhaps you can search them out and lend them your support. The reality is Tamarin you and I share rights and privileges denied to other members of our society. I myself don't feel threatened by homosexuals. My rights are fine and intact.

 

[tamarin]

Tonington, I'm tired of victims and the whole cosmology they've developed. I think gays already have what they want. But they're damn quick to take offence and I really am tired of listening to them - and all their other buddies in the great victims' hoodie they've built in our society.