Exactly. I have so many friends and family who can't live the life they deserve. I have a cousin who had to move away to marry for pete's sake. That's f-ing ridiculous, to have to leave your family just to marry the person you love. And even then, he and his husband will have it hanging over their heads that at any moment new laws could take even that away from them. No one should have to live like that, in constant worry over their validity in society.
Pace says he..........won't apologize
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Exactly. I have so many friends and family who can't live the life they deserve. I have a cousin who had to move away to marry for pete's sake. That's f-ing ridiculous, to have to leave your family just to marry the person you love. And even then, he and his husband will have it hanging over their heads that at any moment new laws could take even that away from them. No one should have to live like that, in constant worry over their validity in society.
Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Brilliant management in that army, alienate fifteen to forty percent of your workforce and expect moral to skyrocket hahaha what a circus of loosers.
Gays get a lot of mileage with very small numbers. I always thought gays were about ten percent of the population. It turns out much smaller than that:
Science magazine, July 3, 1992, reports a very recent French study that found only 4.1% of men and 2.6% of women said they'd had homosexual intercourse at least once in their lives. Only 1.1% of men and 0.3% of women said they'd had homosexual intercourse in the past 12 months (as reported in "Homosexual figures grossly exaggerated," AFA Journal, September, 1992, pg. 9). "The London Daily Mail released last week what it calls `the most exhaustive survey ever conducted into British sexual habits.' The most stunning finding was that only 1.1 percent of British men said they were active homosexuals, a figure similar to the most recent American polls" (World magazine, Jan. 29, 1994, p.
Don't get me wrong. I don't applaud the smaller numbers, nor am I gay. I was just surprised by them.
If you were refering to me as the Youngun (forgive me if you weren't) you only have 3 years on me so you are hardly an elder of mine.
My mother raised two sons that joined the military, all of her brothers joined (all four), and my father was retired Navy. However I can honestly say she knows no more than the average person on how the military is. Maybe she knows a little more such as where the PX was, medical, etc. She knows what it is like to be a Navy wife and the mother to a sailor and a Marine. Just because you talked to military people does not make you an expert at all.
Pace did nothing wrong which is why he will not be brought up on charges. We take an oath this is probably as close as we are going to get as far as curbing speech.
"I will make no statements, written or oral that may be harmful to my country or allies."
Yes the Dixie Chicks took it on the chin because look at their audience. Rock singers say that all of the time as well as movie stars but people expect that.
In short, he spoke his mind on this particular subject and had every right to do that.
General regrets remarks on homosexuality
Pace says he focused too much on his own 'moral views,' won't apologize
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• Pace won’t apologize for anti-gay comments
March 13: Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace issues a statement on his anti-gay comments, saying he should have focused more on military policy and less on his personal views. NBC's Patty Culhane reports.
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WASHINGTON - The Pentagon's top general expressed regret Tuesday that he called homosexuality immoral, a remark that drew a harsh condemnation from members of Congress and gay advocacy groups.
In a newspaper interview Monday, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had likened homosexual acts to adultery and said the military should not condone it by allowing gays to serve openly in the armed forces.
In an interview with the Chicago Tribune, Pace was asked about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that allows gays and lesbians to serve if they keep their sexual orientation private and don't engage in homosexual acts.
Pace said he supports the policy, which became law in 1994 and prohibits commanders from asking about a person's sexual orientation.
"I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace said in the audio recording of the interview posted on the Tribune's Web site. "I do not believe that the armed forces of the United States are well served by a saying through our policies that it's OK to be immoral in any way."
Personal opinion
In a statement Tuesday, he said he should have focused more in the interview on the Defense Department policy about gays — and "less on my personal moral views."
He did not offer an apology, something that had been demanded by gay rights groups.
Pace's senior staff members said earlier that the general was expressing his personal opinion and did not intend to apologize. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to speak on the record.
On its Web site, the advocacy group Servicemembers Legal Defense Network called Pace's comments “outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the 65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces.”
The group, which has represented some of the thousands dismissed from the military for their sexual orientation, demanded an apology.
Some lawmakers object
Others quickly expressed their feelings. In a written statement, Sen. John Warner, the former chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, expressed dissatisfaction with Pace's comments. "I respectfully but strongly disagree with the chairman's view that homosexuality is immoral," Warner's statement said.
Later Tuesday, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said she was “disappointed in the moral judgment” in Pace's comments.
Rep. Martin Meehan, who has introduced legislation to repeal the current policy, also criticized Pace's comments.
"General Pace's statements aren't in line with either the majority of the public or the military," said the Massachusetts Democrat. "He needs to recognize that support for overturning (the policy) is strong and growing" and that the military is "turning away good troops to enforce a costly policy of discrimination."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17590518/
Why does this man still have his commission?????!!!!!!
Please...the Army general who botched Walter Reed only lost his job, not any stars or his commission. He retired. And you want General Pace's head for voicing an opinion?
While I think the don't ask/don't tell is silly, it is a regulation(Clinton) and the US military is an all volunteer force. People are free not to join, and free to leave when their contract is up, if for some reason they didn't know about don't ask/don't tell when they joined.
I'm glad that General Pace isn't kowtowing to PC. It is refreshing in this day and age of appeasement and surrender the States seems to be stuck in.
cracking a joke about political and military leaders warrants you attacking me personally? Had I insulted YOU personally? Tsk.
I find it amazing that any military world wide would turn down anybody willing to slap on a helmet, grab a gun, and go get blasted to smithereeens by an enemy. Who cares what sex or orientation they are, if they are gung ho all the power to them. I would think they would be more preturbed when they don't get any volunteers at all.
Im sorry I thought somewhere you said you were in training now and assumed you were in training. Ive a fever and am not reading very carefully. But I still stand by my oppinion......just as you say and thomaska says Pace has his right to say his piece so do I. But in my case I am not a general, a man that WORKS for this country and a man that has no right to spout off about sensitive material. Im sorry my minds fuzzy I cant keep a clever thought in my head. In MY opinion it is wrong for anyone in the military to talk about his/her oppinion in public forums such as news (word). They have a duty to ALL americans .
If the point is that you're rude and taking things entirely too seriously, yes, I get it.
Ok... let me get this straight. You insult a man for naming his daughter Tiffany and call him a moron. But when faced with the same attack you called me rude.
In all honesty I have no problem with the name your parents gave you. In fact I even like the way they used a "K" instead of a "C". I was just pointing out how you yourself were being childish and yes... rude.
He is not here on this forum, I did not attack him, as he is NOT HERE TO BE ATTACKED! I cracked a joke, complete with an 'lol'. a joke. a joke. a joke. Geez. Seriously, relax a bit.
First off... I hope you feel better soon as I am getting over what you most likely have. It seems like something is "going around" as they say.
Second you absolutely have a right to say what your opinions are but the fact of the matter is that he legally, as a General of Marines, had every right to say what he did and should not face charges. He won't. He does have a duty to protect all Americans and General Pace has done very well for the military.
The culture of the military, although very strict is not what you portrayed it to be in some of your posts. We are not mindless, non-thinking robots. We are not treated like meat. Good initiative is actually encouraged. Poor discipline is not and is punished, sometimes severly. Instant obedience to orders does not make us mindless.
So yes you are entitled to an opinion... and we are entitled to object.
and cracking a joke someone doesn't find funny warrants a personal insult?
beat away at this dead horse if you like, my point stands.
Well I am very relaxed and it wasn't that bad of an ATTACK. I was just pointing out the silliness.
Besides General Pace and I are both Marines...
Once a Marine, Always a Marine
Band of Brothers
Semper Fidelis (Always Faithful)
We tend to stick up for one another. It is how we are.
At this point I dont see either of us changing our minds on this subject.
So please take my heart felt thanks for what you do and I personally think ALL of you guys are fantastic and under appreciated. BUT I have no respect for your leaders or our leaders. Anyone that puts down a whole group of people in their charge has issues that in my oppinion should not be publically aired.
Yes, yes it does. Or do you think Racist, Homophobic and Sexist jokes are all ok just because you don't think they are insult just because "someone doesn't find [it] funny".
If you insult someones family, it is usually an insult even if you said it in jest. You might have the charisma to not inflict insult in person, but not through text.