Oxford Debate: Islam is a Religion of Peace

gerryh

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Tecumsehsbones said:
Yes, your ability to reason logically makes your use of argumentum ad hominem unsurprising.

If you have a specific question about native spirituality or the conduct of followers thereof, ask it. "What they're all about" is too broad and nonspecific to be useful. Says something about you, though.
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Here we are....... This is an example of what ALL Indians stand for and are like.

At about 2:45 Saturday afternoon the Livestream camera was handed to a young native man named Billy who says he comes from near the Conawapa Dam in Manitoba. The beginning of his appearance (with Crystal Sinclair of Idle No More Toronto) was unremarkable, typical banter. He later switched to a monologue, blasting violent, racist and anti-Semitic anger into the camera. The highlights included talking about killing CSIS & RCMP Agents, killing white people, and Holocaust denial.

Near the beginning of his monologue Billy explains his view on what indigenous people need to do to get attention for their cause:
“Us Indians have to do something really extreme to get the world’s attention, like forming a Taliban“

Next he explains to CSIS and the RCMP how “your time is coming” and how
“the Indians that you don’t have in the prison systems will be more than enough to take out any motherf##kers that you bring out at us”.

Billy describes how these agencies are “planning the final extermination”, and how the Conawapa Dam in his home territory is part of the plan. Next Gary Wassaykeesic (who was arrested for breaking & entering at the Swamp Line 9 occupation) chimes in saying
“I’ve heard police make that comment, this is our f##king country”.

Billy responds saying:

“Well that’s f##king bulls##t, that cop himself should actually be f##king shot and killed“.
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gerryh said:
Yup........it is...... same thing numbnuts is doing when it comes to Christianity.
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Sigh. I'll try to explain for the slower students.

Is Islam a religion of peace? Presumably, if it were, its adherents would be peaceful. It is an observable fact that many of the adherents of Islam are not peaceful. Therefore, one can conclude that Islam is either not a religion of peace, or it is ineffective in constraining its adherents.

The same is true of Christianity.

I never said that all Christians are violent, or un-peaceful, or bad. Simply that the fact that many are un-peaceful demonstrates that Christianity, like Islam, is either not a religion of peace or not effective in constraining its adherents from violence.

I hope that helped.
 
gerryh

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Tecumsehsbones said:
Sigh. I'll try to explain for the slower students.

Is Islam a religion of peace? Presumably, if it were, its adherents would be peaceful. It is an observable fact that many of the adherents of Islam are not peaceful. Therefore, one can conclude that Islam is either not a religion of peace, or it is ineffective in constraining its adherents.

The same is true of Christianity.

I never said that all Christians are violent, or un-peaceful, or bad. Simply that the fact that many are un-peaceful demonstrates that Christianity, like Islam, is either not a religion of peace or not effective in constraining its adherents from violence.

I hope that helped.
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It shows your lack of understanding, so you could say it helped with that.
 
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gerryh said:
I doubt anyone has the ability to properly educate someone as closed minded as yourself.
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Especially someone who can't demonstrate an error in my reasoning, and the height of whose wit is to engage in ad hominem attacks.

And appears to think that's a valid form of argumentation.
 
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Tecumsehsbones said:
Especially someone who can't demonstrate an error in my reasoning, and the height of whose wit is to engage in ad hominem attacks.

And appears to think that's a valid form of argumentation.
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Stupidity is not "an error in reasoning".
 
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coldstream said:
G.K. Chesterton, who was a very insightful commentator of culture, religion and society in the early 20th Century (as well as writing the Fr. Brown Mysteries) .. wrote this on the true character of Islam.. which in truth has NEVER been about Peace.. but always about conquest and 'submission'.
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For lack of any better, we have to assume the Koran is as Mohammed intended to write it. But if we look deeper, we see that Mohammed had a very militant father-in-law and as he was stricken by polio, very little he could do about his situation.
Whatever it was then, I hate to see Moslem women today having to dress to make themselves ugly, being traded like livestock, having to worship separately is their mosques... etc...
Would this be the last bastion of conquest, bullying their own weakest
 
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