Ottawa approves Conrad Black’s request to live in Canada

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My, who peed in your Corn Flakes this morning??

Black is an old man, I sincerely doubt people will be lining up to engage him in business partnerships, especially as senior partner!

He was born Canadian, he was forced into the decision to drop his citizenship, he holds the Order of Canada.......he is a Canadian historian.........his crimes were non-violent......the choice is simply obvious to me...........

If you scroll your mousey up, you'll see that I was simply commenting on the fact that you claimed any thoughts other than your own were completely unwarranted.

That's all I really took issue with, so don't get a hernia over it.
 

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I'm not sure about all this fluff, but I do know that it's ridiculous to suggest Black is an angel and that him committing a second crime is an impossibility that shouldn't even be a figment of anyone's imagination.

No one has suggested he is an Angel - As I mentioned earlier you are confusing business practices with personal ethics & morals.

But Mulcair did overstep - He and Harper are quite alike I would say.
 

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G&M already has a poll out. Lots of votes in there.
Interesting. You don't like Black, the Conservatives allow him to return to Canada, making him even more undesirable to you. You find a poll that backs your contempt, and that is good enough for you.

But when the constituents of Toronto make it clear they don't want more LRT, you don't care. So long as Ford doesn't get what he wants.

Gotchya.

Tell me again why anyone should think you are anything other than an ideologue?

BTW, if the opinions expressed in on-line polls were law, I'd be legally packing a .357 Magnum in the grocery store.
But Colpy, the NDP der leader is against it, it must be bad and any poll that supports that, must be true and important.

I'm not sure about all this fluff, but I do know that it's ridiculous to suggest Black is an angel and that him committing a second crime is an impossibility that shouldn't even be a figment of anyone's imagination.
Ummm...

You're just talking hot air now.
Ya.

You should look up irony. You do it so well.
 

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Interesting. You don't like Black, the Conservatives allow him to return to Canada, making him even more undesirable to you. You find a poll that backs your contempt, and that is good enough for you.

But when the constituents of Toronto make it clear they don't want more LRT, you don't care. So long as Ford doesn't get what he wants.

Gotchya.

Tell me again why anyone should think you are anything other than an ideologue?

But Colpy, the NDP der leader is against it, it must be bad and any poll that supports that, must be true and important.

Ummm...

Ya.

You should look up irony. You do it so well.

Lot's of unsubstantiated smear assumptions in there, lol

I don't like Black because he's a douche and whether he should be let in or not is a complex issue. The poll simply reflects similar opinion and is not evidence of an objective rationalization.

Your move.
 
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The idea that Black will inevitably "steal again" is so ludicrous that it defies the imagination.

Actually, that's how he's made his living, pretty much from the very beginning, so I would expect him to continue.

However, I don't see any issue with letting the windbag in, as long as he keeps that horrible wife of his out of sight.

He's pretty much a poster boy for citizenship of convenience, but he is good for a laugh.
 

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Lot's of assumptions in there. I don't like Black because he's a douche and whether he should be let in or not is a complex issue. The poll is simply a matter of similar opinion.

No, it is not a complex issue. Obviously, Black should be permitted to return.

Mulcair is making a terrific fool of himself by comparing Black to a US cop-shooter, who was not born in Canada, who NEVER lived in Canada legally.....indeed, who was in violation of Canadian immigration law for almost 30 years.........
 

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No, it is not a complex issue. Obviously, Black should be permitted to return.

Mulcair is making a terrific fool of himself by comparing Black to a US cop-shooter, who was not born in Canada, who NEVER lived in Canada legally.....indeed, who was in violation of Canadian immigration law for almost 30 years.........

The double standard is there. I don't agree on the race card that Mulcair pulled (that was a gaffe), but the double standard based on probability is there. Black will start stealing again (imo).
 

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Lot's of unsubstantiated smear assumptions in there, lol
No, there's a lot of supportable observations in there. You were thinking of your posts. Ironically, you should stick to doing irony. Projection just makes you look silly.

I don't like Black because he's a douche and whether he should be let in or not is a complex issue.
That hasn't stopped you from posting lots of unsubstantiated smear assumptions in here, lol.
 

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The double standard is there. I don't agree on the race card that Mulcair pulled (that was a gaffe), but the double standard based on probability is there. Black will start stealing again (imo).

You really don't get it do you??

Mulcair compared a Canadian-born member of the Order of Canada that was convicted of a non-violent crime in a US court to an American cop-shooter that has never been in Canada WITHOUT being in violation of Canadian law.

Mulcair is an idiot.

That is the most obvious conclusion that can be drawn from this fiasco.
 

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You really don't get it do you??

Mulcair compared a Canadian-born member of the Order of Canada that was convicted of a non-violent crime in a US court to an American cop-shooter that has never been in Canada WITHOUT being in violation of Canadian law.

Mulcair is an idiot.

That is the most obvious conclusion that can be drawn from this fiasco.

He's referring to the immigration standard of satisfying one of the conditions - that is committing an offense again, regardless of what the actual crime was.

His inclination is that there is a high probability that Black would commit his crime again while Freeman has a low probability of committing the crime. That is where I agree regarding the double standard. I disagree with the racial profiling.
 

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The double standard is there. I don't agree on the race card that Mulcair pulled (that was a gaffe),


A gaffe? A "gaffe" is a slip, a mistake. This was not a gaffe, this was Muclair showing his true colours.
 

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A gaffe? A "gaffe" is a slip, a mistake. This was not a gaffe, this was Muclair showing his true colours.

If you want to take it that way, sure. But I think Mulcair knows he bit off too much and probably won't play that card again. It's too obvious that he would lose support if he continued to make mistakes like that.

It isn't like we're talking about Ford, who's career will be in the toilet by next election.
 

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You really don't get it do you??

Mulcair compared a Canadian-born member of the Order of Canada that was convicted of a non-violent crime in a US court to an American cop-shooter that has never been in Canada WITHOUT being in violation of Canadian law.

Mulcair is an idiot.

That is the most obvious conclusion that can be drawn from this fiasco.
Black's major crime was that he pissed off the wrong people.

that has never been in Canada WITHOUT being in violation of Canadian law.

Absolutely. It should be noticed that most of the charges against Black are disappearing. Unfortunately the time he has served in jail already, can't be unserved.