OPP officer killed in shooting near Hagersville, Ont.; 2 suspects in custody

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#REPORT: Randall McKenzie, the 25-year-old suspect allegedly involved in the fatal shooting of Const. Pierzchala, was already hit with gun charges in 2021 but was released on bail.


So basically our new policy is to lock up guns but let the criminal out. That worked out pretty well didn't it. I'm sure his gun was legally registered and he had a license and all.
 

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It is good that they are protected.
In some ways, but in other ways not as much. They wouldn't be able to function properly without protections it's true, but in cases like this where it feels like they were just plain negiligent it would be nice to at least challenge them. Or force an inquiry or the like.
 

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In some ways, but in other ways not as much. They wouldn't be able to function properly without protections it's true, but in cases like this where it feels like they were just plain negiligent it would be nice to at least challenge them. Or force an inquiry or the like.
The purple is an old convention on this board indicating sarcasm. :)
 
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'Outraged': Ontario's top cop demands bail change after officer's killing​


The man accused of killing Const. Grzegorz Pierzchala was out on bail on criminal charges, including assaulting a police officer

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“I’m outraged by the fact that McKenzie was out on bail and had the opportunity to take the life of an innocent officer,” Carrique said. “I know that there is a lot interest in ensuring that, to see that changes are made, where possible, so that people charged with violent offences that are firearms-related are not in that position moving forward.”


Carrique, in his opening remarks, said that in 2018 McKenzie was prohibited for life of possessing any firearms. In 2021, McKenzie was charged with several firearm-related offenses and assaulting a peace officer."


What happened was a tragedy no matter what. That cop should never have died.

Having said that - maybe if cops brought THIS kind of thing up more and spoke out against useless gun legislation that sucks up all the time and money available to be spent on crime this kind of thing would be addressed.

Maybe focusing on criminals would produce better results than focusing on law abiding gun owners.
 
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Seems like the entire criminal justice system should be charged with criminal negligence causing death of a police officer.
 

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Seems like the entire criminal justice system should be charged with criminal negligence causing death of a police officer.
That's about the size of it. And everyone's got a big foam finger to point. But at the end of the day we do have a problem where the lawmakers aren't doing their job and the judges are deciding to do more than their job and be lawmakers. it's a total mess.
 

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What the hell is wrong with people these days.
Well, Canada’s kid-glove treatment of violent criminals today — easy bail, soft sentencing, statutory release, early parole, special treatment for members of some minority groups, keeping the identities of young offenders secret even when they commit murder — didn’t happen by accident.

They were the inevitable result of criminal justice, prison and parole measures passed by Canadian federal governments starting in the 1970s.

These were initially implemented by the Liberal government of then prime minister Pierre Trudeau, which openly acknowledged its intent was “to stress the rehabilitation of individuals rather than the protection of society.”

McKenzie (Randall McKenzie, 25, from Six Nations of the Grand River) was out on bail at the time of Pierzchala’s murder, after an arrest on several charges including assaulting a police officer and possessing a handgun.

Court records reveal his long and violent criminal history, including a lifetime firearms prohibition from previous armed robberies and other firearms offences.

I am strongly suspecting that Randall McKenzie is not a registered firearms owner with a registered firearm in Canada. I know I’m assuming here, but…

Poilievre also accused the government of using the spike in violent crime as a means to push their controversial gun control measures that aim to stamp out crime by disarming Canada’s sport shooters and hunters.
#REPORT: Randall McKenzie, the 25-year-old suspect allegedly involved in the fatal shooting of Const. Pierzchala, was already hit with gun charges in 2021 but was released on bail.

So basically our new policy is to lock up guns but let the criminal out. That worked out pretty well didn't it. I'm sure his gun was legally registered and he had a license and all.
Five decades later, Canadians continue to reap the whirlwind of those decisions with hardened criminals arrested, charged and released on bail to commit more crimes or, upon conviction, receiving early parole, making a mockery of sentences pronounced in court.

These principles were made clear by Pierre Trudeau’s Liberal government in an Oct. 7, 1971 address to Parliament by then solicitor general Jean-Pierre Goyer.

“The details of the constable’s murder are deeply troubling,” Polievre said. “This is the fifth police officer murdered since Septemberand is part of a 32 per cent increase in violent crime that has happened over the last seven years, and a 92 per cent increase in gang-related murders.”

(Seven Years? Did someone break a mirror back in 2015 or something?)
Seems like the entire criminal justice system should be charged with criminal negligence causing death of a police officer.
“For too long a time now,” Goyer said, “our punishment-oriented society has cultivated the state of mind that demands that offenders, whatever their age and whatever the offence, be placed behind bars. Even nowadays, too many Canadians object to looking at offenders as members of our society and seem to disregard the fact that the correctional process aims at making the offender a useful and law-abiding citizen, and not any more an individual alienated from society and in conflict with it.

“Consequently, we have decided from now on, to stress the rehabilitation of individuals rather than the protection of society … Our reforms will perhaps be criticized for being too liberal or for omitting to protect society against dangerous criminals. Indeed, this new rehabilitation policy will probably demand much striving and involve some risks …”

Poilievre said police officers often share stories about arresting the same suspects multiple times during their shifts.

“These easy catch-and-release bail policies are found in Justin Trudeau’s Bill C-75,” Poilievre said, describing the legislation as a means for violent repeat offenders to more easily get bail.
Plan to lock every criminal lawyer, judge, and judicial officer in Canada up, Tax?
The practical effect of this Liberal philosophy, endorsed by the opposition of the time, was to elevate rehabilitation of the offender — however faint the hope it would occur — above other purposes of sentencing such as denouncing unlawful conduct, deterrence and the protection of society. We’d have to lock up society as a whole for allowing this to happen back in 1971.
That's about the size of it. And everyone's got a big foam finger to point. But at the end of the day we do have a problem where the lawmakers aren't doing their job and the judges are deciding to do more than their job and be lawmakers. it's a total mess.
In subsequent decades, this became the model for Canada’s criminal justice system, adhered to by Liberal and Progressive Conservative governments, reflected in bail, parole and sentencing decisions and in rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada, especially after Parliament’s passage of the Charter in 1982.

Canada’s permanent abolition of the death penalty in 1976 under Pierre Trudeau’s Liberal government was part of this philosophy, although in practical terms the last executions in Canada were carried out in 1962, when Arthur Lucas and Ronald Turpin were hanged in Toronto’s Don Jail for murder.

The Young Offenders Act, eventually replaced by the Youth Criminal Justice Act, with its dramatically reduced sentences and guarantee of anonymity even for those convicted of murder, was part of this philosophy.

Ditto statutory release, which automatically reduces the period of incarceration for most criminal offences by a third and parole, which makes a mockery of sentences pronounced at trial.


Full parole for many criminals today comes as early as one-third of their sentence. Unescorted temporary absences can begin when as little as one-sixth of the sentence served.

While the Conservative government of Stephen Harper attempted to re-establish the importance of the denunciation of unlawful conduct, deterrence and the protection of society in sentencing, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has steadily eroded those efforts, scrapping mandatory minimum sentences for serious gun crimes — as has the Supreme Court of Canada — and making bail even easier to obtain than in the past.

So….like many things in today’s Canada, this appears to be another broken system. Is anyone willing (other than Stephen Harper who’s now out since 2015 when Canada last had a balanced budget) to attempt to do something about this?

Justin? Jagmeet? Justin/Jagmeet? Pierre Poilievre? Elizabeth May and who/what ever her Green co-captain is? Blanchet and the Bloc Québécois in their goal as the saviours of Canada?
 
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They were the inevitable result of criminal justice, prison and parole measures passed by Canadian federal governments starting in the 1970s.
Last I heard it's victims who get Justice. There isnt such a thing as Criminal Justice.

It should be termed the Victim Justice system.
 

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Well, Canada’s kid-glove treatment of violent criminals today — easy bail, soft sentencing, statutory release, early parole, special treatment for members of some minority groups, keeping the identities of young offenders secret even when they commit murder — didn’t happen by accident.

They were the inevitable result of criminal justice, prison and parole measures passed by Canadian federal governments starting in the 1970s.

These were initially implemented by the Liberal government of then prime minister Pierre Trudeau, which openly acknowledged its intent was “to stress the rehabilitation of individuals rather than the protection of society.”

McKenzie (Randall McKenzie, 25, from Six Nations of the Grand River) was out on bail at the time of Pierzchala’s murder, after an arrest on several charges including assaulting a police officer and possessing a handgun.

Court records reveal his long and violent criminal history, including a lifetime firearms prohibition from previous armed robberies and other firearms offences.

I am strongly suspecting that Randall McKenzie is not a registered firearms owner with a registered firearm in Canada. I know I’m assuming here, but…

Poilievre also accused the government of using the spike in violent crime as a means to push their controversial gun control measures that aim to stamp out crime by disarming Canada’s sport shooters and hunters.

Five decades later, Canadians continue to reap the whirlwind of those decisions with hardened criminals arrested, charged and released on bail to commit more crimes or, upon conviction, receiving early parole, making a mockery of sentences pronounced in court.

These principles were made clear by Pierre Trudeau’s Liberal government in an Oct. 7, 1971 address to Parliament by then solicitor general Jean-Pierre Goyer.

“The details of the constable’s murder are deeply troubling,” Polievre said. “This is the fifth police officer murdered since Septemberand is part of a 32 per cent increase in violent crime that has happened over the last seven years, and a 92 per cent increase in gang-related murders.”

(Seven Years? Did someone break a mirror back in 2015 or something?)


“For too long a time now,” Goyer said, “our punishment-oriented society has cultivated the state of mind that demands that offenders, whatever their age and whatever the offence, be placed behind bars. Even nowadays, too many Canadians object to looking at offenders as members of our society and seem to disregard the fact that the correctional process aims at making the offender a useful and law-abiding citizen, and not any more an individual alienated from society and in conflict with it.

“Consequently, we have decided from now on, to stress the rehabilitation of individuals rather than the protection of society … Our reforms will perhaps be criticized for being too liberal or for omitting to protect society against dangerous criminals. Indeed, this new rehabilitation policy will probably demand much striving and involve some risks …”

Poilievre said police officers often share stories about arresting the same suspects multiple times during their shifts.

“These easy catch-and-release bail policies are found in Justin Trudeau’s Bill C-75,” Poilievre said, describing the legislation as a means for violent repeat offenders to more easily get bail.

The practical effect of this Liberal philosophy, endorsed by the opposition of the time, was to elevate rehabilitation of the offender — however faint the hope it would occur — above other purposes of sentencing such as denouncing unlawful conduct, deterrence and the protection of society. We’d have to lock up society as a whole for allowing this to happen back in 1971.

In subsequent decades, this became the model for Canada’s criminal justice system, adhered to by Liberal and Progressive Conservative governments, reflected in bail, parole and sentencing decisions and in rulings by the Supreme Court of Canada, especially after Parliament’s passage of the Charter in 1982.

Canada’s permanent abolition of the death penalty in 1976 under Pierre Trudeau’s Liberal government was part of this philosophy, although in practical terms the last executions in Canada were carried out in 1962, when Arthur Lucas and Ronald Turpin were hanged in Toronto’s Don Jail for murder.

The Young Offenders Act, eventually replaced by the Youth Criminal Justice Act, with its dramatically reduced sentences and guarantee of anonymity even for those convicted of murder, was part of this philosophy.

Ditto statutory release, which automatically reduces the period of incarceration for most criminal offences by a third and parole, which makes a mockery of sentences pronounced at trial.


Full parole for many criminals today comes as early as one-third of their sentence. Unescorted temporary absences can begin when as little as one-sixth of the sentence served.

While the Conservative government of Stephen Harper attempted to re-establish the importance of the denunciation of unlawful conduct, deterrence and the protection of society in sentencing, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has steadily eroded those efforts, scrapping mandatory minimum sentences for serious gun crimes — as has the Supreme Court of Canada — and making bail even easier to obtain than in the past.

So….like many things in today’s Canada, this appears to be another broken system. Is anyone willing (other than Stephen Harper who’s now out since 2015 when Canada last had a balanced budget) to attempt to do something about this?

Justin? Jagmeet? Justin/Jagmeet? Pierre Poilievre? Elizabeth May and who/what ever her Green co-captain is? Blanchet and the Bloc Québécois in their goal as the saviours of Canada?
So the upshot of all this is Liberals are soft on crime for some reason known only to themselves. And, of course the long suffering taxpayer is on the hook for not only the costs of the joke of a just us system, but also for the costs of stolen articles and damages done and resulting rise in insurance costs.
 
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