Were these the same guys that were going to build a rail line to ship the ore?
Ontario Northland gets the axe
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Note-I am not talking out my ass at all I grew up in one of those towns and at one time all my male relatives worked for the railway as did I-many still reside there and one is a senior executive with ONTC.
Life in the frozen bush is a POFS and people are dirt poor.
I remember in the late 80's my Mother saying 'we don't have wool' when talking about sweaters-meaning that locals were too poor to buy quality clothes so local stores never carried them just polyester-you can probably buy a wool sweater in North Bay but that's it.I'm sure I've posted this here in the past.
Want to educate yourself?
Do a Google Images search on Kirkland Lake or Cochrane or Timmins-the streets look more like rural Bolivia than the developed world.
Even with rocketing metal prices and the reopening of a few mines people's lives are as grim as their options for the future IOW GTFO or see your Kids grow up as poor and ignorant as you are.
Anyway the railway isn't closing it's just changing hands and when it does the few locals who work it will see their paltry paycheques squeezed even more-it was ever thus.
I used to see them all the time frozen in Hudsons bay at the end of September while flying back to the world.
Some government business should be for profit and some should be for service to remote areas.
yes government has a responsibility to serve these communities and should maintain service to
these citizens. it should also be pointed out that some railway operations received payment up
front more than a century ago. For example CP was given property rights for ten miles on either
side of the tracks across the country it served. They sold the land and pocketed the money but
in exchange they were to operate at a subsidized rate. These businesses therefore have an
obligation to service the area. In turn the government made the deal and they too should live up
to their obligation to serve citizens in remote areas
yes government has a responsibility to serve these communities and should maintain service to
these citizens. it should also be pointed out that some railway operations received payment up
front more than a century ago. For example CP was given property rights for ten miles on either
side of the tracks across the country it served. They sold the land and pocketed the money but
in exchange they were to operate at a subsidized rate. These businesses therefore have an
obligation to service the area. In turn the government made the deal and they too should live up
to their obligation to serve citizens in remote areas
I'm sure...:roll:
To you maybe. Some people think life in the bush is richly rewarding.
Yes, that's why I put little stock in your posts.
Not that you're right. So?
Being heavily subsidized, it will likely cease to be the system it is now.
Pretty cool,I managed the melledianne camp on your map,helped start the meadowbank mine from scratch and spent last year at george/goose lake. A few years ago you couldnt even find them on a map unless it was highly detailed.
Maybe the federal Conservatives can stop it for health and safety concerns like Air Canada and the feds rule over provinces.
Maybe they arent subsidized and cant compete on an open playing field with rail.They focus mainly where there is no roads or rail because then they only have to compete with other airlines and most do work together.
Then again maybe they are subsidized,small airlines need hangers and bases and cant afford one everywhere they fly so they focus on bigger communities and base from there on a day to day schedule.
I dont know the numbers but i'm sure the small airlines arent getting help like this railway is in cash.
Likely because they can't meet the same demands the railway does.
Because it can't offer the same service.
There is always air ships for cargo http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2011/05/airships-as-climate-solution
Lockheed Martin's P-791 prototype airship
Lockheed Martin's P-791 prototype airship
I'd like your explanation of how a railroad that owns and maintains its own right of way is more subsidized than an airline that uses public airports, or trucks that use public highways.
Ya but, ya but, ya but, kakato is saying that they CAN replace the inefficient railroad... isn't that what he was saying?
Uh huh. Which is why I keep asking him about the flag stops. I remember watching them unload a Suzuki Samurai, off a flatbed rail car, at a flag stop. Using stacks of 2x12's and a whole lot of skill.
Wondering where the hell they were going with it, since I didn't see a road, lol.
It was likely the event that made me interested in 4x4'ing.
Most efficient shippers are ship and rail in that order. Not likely a ship can get overland and Hudson Bay isn't open all year. Maybe you can land a Twin Otter on an esker - but anything like an esker between Cochrane and Moosonee has train tracks in the middle and telegraph poles to the side.
A herc can handle that with a mile long airstrip but space is at a premium and you might get 2 full size pickups on a herc at about half what it costs to buy one so point taken.We used to haul our trucks up in the winter on ice roads,just get an Innuit guide with a skidoo and pay him some big bucks.They usually allways came up on a barge though and when they cant go any farther you offload and either drive or set up a few sloops behind a cat and skid them to where they have to go in a cat train.The Hercs are better used to haul up drills,skidsteers and fuel,110 drums at a time or 33,000 liters in a bladder.
The logistics of anywhere north is a challenge but theres a lot of people in the north that are very good at it and they are very busy resupplying communities and the remote camps that will soon provide jobs for a lot of Innuit.I'm sure if someone asked them to add a new route with the promise of lots of flights it would happen.
I loved doing logistics in the Arctic,once I was buddys with the Nunavut mafia(expediters) it all went smooth,I could get any part or item within one week with only a 25% kablunak tax on said items.
I have vids of otters taking off in about 60 feet,singles,but the twins are just as impressive and with tundra tires can land allmost anywhere.