Ontario Northland gets the axe

CDNBear

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Hard to say,depends on how many spill kits you need when one of their planes lands on the lake ice.
So in other words, not really feasible.

Flag stops will scare hell out of someone. Getting down's easy. That snap pick-up aka barrage balloon and mail catcher is a bit tougher - especially with luggage
I foresee an increased need for hospitals in the north.
 

Kakato

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So in other words, not really feasible.

Totally feasible,There's lot's of small airlines that would love a chance to supply anytowns.
Without subsidies and even make money.
Theres probably a lot of folks with their fingers in the pie right now though that dont want to see it end.

They have very few hospitals where I have been,everyone gets flown to Winnipeg but in a ten day blizzard your not going anywhere.
 

DaSleeper

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The fare by bus from here to toronto is $167.70 one way...If the subsidy is 400 per passenger...give it to me and It'll pay for my air fare and I'd get there faster.
 

CDNBear

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The fare by bus from here to toronto is $167.70 one way...If the subsidy is 400 per passenger...give it to me and It'll pay for my air fare and I'd get there faster.
Rail travel is no doubt, ridiculously priced out of reach for the average Canadian budget.

But I wonder how much airfares will increase, with the addition of the cost of maintaining small airstrips. Multiple trips in and out to drop off, what the train can drop off in one shot.

Just how many airstrips will small airlines be willing to build. How many will the gov't allow them to build.

And to be honest, this move, sounds the death knell, for a Canadian icon.
 

Kakato

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Rail travel is no doubt, ridiculously priced out of reach for the average Canadian budget.

But I wonder how much airfares will increase, with the addition of the cost of maintaining small airstrips. Multiple trips in and out to drop off, what the train can drop off in one shot.

Just how many airstrips will small airlines be willing to build. How many will the gov't allow them to build.

And to be honest, this move, sounds the death knell, for a Canadian icon.
Calm air has a pretty good infrastructure in Winnipeg,Thompson,Churchill and all points north so I think they could handle it.
There's lots of other airlines that would do it for less then rail transport I,m sure when you factor in what rail costs.
 

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What about after you factor in what it will cost to maintain the same level of service?
They have hangers in most airports so that brings the price down,most small airlines only base out of one town like YK.
Airstrips are easy to build on ice or land.Otter's dont even need a strip,just an esker.
I did supply and logistics for a few years in the arctic so I know it can be done.
 

CDNBear

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Airstrips are easy to build on ice or land.Otter's dont even need a strip,just an esker.
Buildings are easy to build too.

They still cost money to build, and maintain.

How much will it cost to build and maintain them, year round?

How much will multiple trips cost, compared to one trip by rail?

How many airstrips will be able to handle heavy air lifts?

How much will the airlines add to ticket prices to offset the cost of upgrading their fleets to handle intermittent larger payloads?

Do you have any idea of what kind of freight the ONL carries?

People have built up, around, or near to the rail route, for a reason. Because it's their.
 

Kakato

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Buildings are easy to build too.

They still cost money to build, and maintain.

How much will it cost to build and maintain them, year round?

How much will multiple trips cost, compared to one trip by rail?

How many airstrips will be able to handle heavy air lifts?

How much will the airlines add to ticket prices to offset the cost of upgrading their fleets to handle intermittent larger payloads?

Do you have any idea of what kind of freight the ONL carries?

People have built up, around, or near to the rail route, for a reason. Because it's their.

Hercs can pack most anything,thats winter freight,the rest could be flown in any time at probably half the cost.
Railway right of ways are very expensive to maintain,thats why most in Alberta have pulled out the rails many years ago,same with Saskatchewan.We have roads now,they are more efficient IMO.

I have worked in a lot of small towns in Alberta and they all used to have rail service at one time but not now,they still survive but the rails are all gone.the towns are ten miles apart because of the trains back then.
 
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Apparently they're trying to get away from the money is no object approach. I can't see a sale coming for ONR though. It's not a profitable line. It's a provincial service....
 

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Hercs can pack most anything,thats winter freight,the rest could be flown in any time at probably half the cost.
I know what C 130's can do. But what about airfields that can handle planes that can carry cars, trucks? Anytime?

Like the flag stops can now.

Railway right of ways are very expensive to maintain,thats why most in Alberta have pulled out the rails many years ago,same with Saskatchewan.
I'm not arguing the cost of rail. I know it's expensive.

We have roads now,they are more efficient IMO.
No kidding. You weren't so hard on rail here.
 
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Do you have any idea of what kind of freight the ONL carries?
In terms of heading north very little of anything-that line is all about hauling resources south always has been-any goods for the few hillbillies left starving in those sh!t smear towns is trucked up.

I remember fruit came in on Tuesday for instance-probably still does for all that.
 

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In terms of heading north very little of anything-that line is all about hauling resources south always has been-any goods for the few hillbillies left starving in those sh!t smear towns is trucked up.

I remember fruit came in on Tuesday for instance-probably still does for all that.
I see you still like to talk out your ass.
 

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Barges.....barges carrying mass raw iron ore from Arctic to South ON via James Bay Bill Gatesway and the privatized line.

Something like that would keep a line running.
 

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Barges.....barges carrying mass raw iron ore from Arctic to South ON via James Bay Bill Gatesway and the privatized line.

Something like that would keep a line running.

Their all frozen cock stiff in Hudsons bay by end of september though.
Maybe we need more barges.We got lots of res to move in the next ten years,we have new shipyards being built,lets get growing.Shipyards,refinerys,mines,we are a very rich country,lets do it.
 

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