Ontario Moving Forward with Basic Income

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JLM

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The market certainly should not be 'dictating' minimum wage.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.


But certainly nowhere near as dumb as some of the statements you make, however I will make one adjustment to my statement..................the market place should determine wage levels. :)
 

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The market certainly should not be 'dictating' minimum wage.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.


You can certainly give the market some flexibility but businesses need to be regulated to the extent that profits aren't at the expense of well being.

But that is something so obvious that it shouldn't even need to be said.

Should the market dictate carbon pricing? It does and it tanked.
 

Bar Sinister

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The market place should be dictating wages, not the f**king Gov't. You can't reconcile the value of work on the cost of living.

Sadly, the history of the market economy shows that most businesses try to push down wages.

Your proof is contributed by:

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Sep 8, 2016

(Her description of herself)


I can find multiple other sources, in fact I've posted them - but tell you what, why don't you prove me wrong?
 

JLM

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How many f**king times do some of these dough heads have to be told that paying people for doing nothing doesn't work? At least if it was loaned out there might be a snowball's chance in Hell of recovering some of it! The woman is retarded.

Sadly, the history of the market economy shows that most businesses try to push down wages.


Actually that is not a bad idea, it helps to stem inflation. How are we any better off paying $2 a loaf for bread than we were when it was 10 cents a loaf? Not only is it obscene but it's insane!
 

Bar Sinister

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How many f**king times do some of these dough heads have to be told that paying people for doing nothing doesn't work? At least if it was loaned out there might be a snowball's chance in Hell of recovering some of it! The woman is retarded.




Actually that is not a bad idea, it helps to stem inflation. How are we any better off paying $2 a loaf for bread than we were when it was 10 cents a loaf? Not only is it obscene but it's insane!


Just a question? How much lower would you like your paycheque to be in order to lower inflation?
 

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It was the oil prices that killed Albertans.

Everyone else was fine.

It was Notly and the dippers that killed Alberta. This is what happens when you put idealology ahead of economics. As has been proved by two disastrous bouts of dipper mismanagement in BC.

And that would result in ... what?

1/10th of the current number of government employees sucking off the taxpayer to start with.
 

Bar Sinister

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It was Notly and the dippers that killed Alberta. This is what happens when you put idealology ahead of economics. As has been proved by two disastrous bouts of dipper mismanagement in BC.



1/10th of the current number of government employees sucking off the taxpayer to start with.

Just when I think you can't post anything with less substance than you have before; you prove me wrong. What do you say about a government that rode oil wealth for 41 years and still couldn't develop a sound fiscal plan? Deficit budgets by the current Alberta government wouldn't be necessary if the PCs had taken advantage of the vast tax revenue at their disposal.
 

Bar Sinister

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Not having to pack a wheel barrow load of money to the grocery store. :)

So, your solution to our current non-existent inflation problem is to reduce our incomes by 10%? Why do I think that would be an utter disaster?
 

JLM

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So, your solution to our current non-existent inflation problem is to reduce our incomes by 10%? Why do I think that would be an utter disaster?


No by 90%! It could be an utter disaster but only because the younger generation couldn't handle it! :) Take a realistic look at it. We've been going through hoops for 60 years trying to increase our wealth but we are still at the same spot on the "Merry-go-Round" and not one iota wealthier for our efforts. We may think we are wealthier but in fact the banks own most of the stuff most of us think we own. It's all a delusion!
 

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No by 90%! It could be an utter disaster but only because the younger generation couldn't handle it! :) Take a realistic look at it. We've been going through hoops for 60 years trying to increase our wealth but we are still at the same spot on the "Merry-go-Round" and not one iota wealthier for our efforts. We may think we are wealthier but in fact the banks own most of the stuff most of us think we own. It's all a delusion!

Because all income increases simply add to the value of home equity.

Remember when two parents started working?

The equity value of homes simply gobbled up the extra income families earned.
To pit it simply. You need two jobs to buy the same house you could buy with one job previously.

The 15$/hour will simply be soaked up into higher rent and equity value. Its proven.
 

JLM

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Because all income increases simply add to the value of home equity.

Remember when two parents started working?

The equity value of homes simply gobbled up the extra income families earned.
To pit it simply. You need two jobs to buy the same house you could buy with one job previously.

The 15$/hour will simply be soaked up into higher rent and equity value. Its proven.


Absolutely.............Anyone who has been watching the trend for 50 - 60 years and can't see that is not too f**king bright! :)
 

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So locally available parts will be all the basic income earners can afford but the elite will be able to afford imported items due to high tariffs involved.?? I assume that is their idea of equality rather than it being the dream of the lower class. That is a lot bigger than just involving Ontario, perhaps they are the test bed location.
 

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Absolutely.............Anyone who has been watching the trend for 50 - 60 years and can't see that is not too f**king bright! :)

And the higher equity value builds. People who have payed their house. That money they have from selling their house will only be gobbled up into the equity value of other houses when they buy a new house to replace the one they sold.


And it will continue growing. Next thing we will know house will sell for millions like in Europe.!
 

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And the higher equity value builds. People who have payed their house. That money they have from selling their house will only be gobbled up into the equity value of other houses when they buy a new house to replace the one they sold.


And it will continue growing. Next thing we will know house will sell for millions like in Europe.!



You don't have to live in Toronto or Vancouver, you know.