Ontario Candidate Campaigns To Abolish HRCs For Courts Bound By Rules of Evidence-duh

dumpthemonarchy

House Member
Jan 18, 2005
4,235
14
38
Vancouver
www.cynicsunlimited.com
A person running for the leadership of the PCs in Ontario is advocating abolishing Human Rights Commissions for courts bound by rules of evidence, lordy, dordy, what have they got in Onterrible for HRCs! How can HRCs not be bound by rules of evidence! You learn something new everyday.

PC insiders are just afraid to take a stance, just don't be controversial they say, and we'll win the next election. Scaredy cats or what.

This sounds eminently reasonable to me.
----------------------------

globeandmail.com: Hudak calls for abolition of Human Rights Tribunal

ONTARIO POLITICS Hudak calls for abolition of Human Rights Tribunal

Party insiders fear move proposed by front-runner in Tory leadership race would ignite controversy similar to religious-schools issue

KAREN HOWLETT
May 16, 2009

TORONTO -- Ontario Progressive Conservative leadership hopeful Tim Hudak says he would scrap the province's Human Rights Tribunal if he wins, a policy that party insiders fear could become as controversial as the religious-schools issue.
Mr. Hudak, the acknowledged front-runner in the four-person race, announced this week that he would replace the tribunal with a court-based system bound by rules of evidence instead of an entity that uses the province's Human Rights Code as a "tool for political advocacy."
Party insiders said the policy is an attempt by the veteran MPP to woo the supporters of leadership rival Randy Hillier, a rookie MPP who is expected to finish in fourth place on the first ballot. Mr. Hillier, who is attracting a growing following in eastern and southwestern Ontario among farmers and land owners, has also called for abolishing the tribunal.
Their stand leaves them at odds with leadership rivals Christine Elliott and Frank Klees, who worry that the policy could hurt the party and be as ill fated as former leader John Tory's pledge to publicly fund all religious schools in addition to Catholic ones, said a party insider.
"I think they're going to look at this and say, 'you're pulling another John Tory move. You picked a hot-button issue that's going to blow up in our faces just as the school thing did,' " he said.
Another party insider also said the move is strategic on Mr. Hudak's part. If Mr. Klees finishes in third place on the first ballot, he is likely to urge his supporters to back Ms. Elliott, he said.
Jeremy Adams, communications chairman of Mr. Hudak's campaign, said the announcement was not an attempt to follow Mr. Hillier.
"Mr. Hudak has been quite vocal about this issue for some time," he said.
The race is expected to heat up now that the deadline has passed for signing up new party members. Christine Hogarth, executive director of the Ontario PC Party, said the party has about 40,000 members after about 32,000 new ones were signed up by Thursday's deadline.
Campaign officials would not disclose how many members each candidate signed up ahead of the leadership vote on June 27, but they all said their candidate's numbers exceeded expectations. Mr. Adams noted that Mr. Hudak has the support of half of the 24 provincial Tory caucus members, along with 17 federal Conservative MPs and 50 riding presidents.
"There's tremendous momentum for Tim Hudak as the best choice for leader," he said.
Mr. Hillier is attracting support from a cross section of libertarians, social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, said Tristan Emmanuel, his campaign manager.
"The abolition of the Human Rights Tribunal has been a huge draw for us," he said, adding that Mr. Hillier's campaign officials are happy that Mr. Hudak has made it part of his campaign. "Hopefully that means it will find a home in this party regardless of what happens," he said.
Party insiders also said Mr. Klees is doing better than anyone expected, especially in the ethnic communities. He also got some help from Christian right leader Charles McVety, who sent out an e-mail urging people to register to vote and saying he is going to cast his ballot for Mr. Klees.
 

Tonington

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 27, 2006
15,441
150
63
He better have more than just the HRC's. A single issue candidate doesn't fare well, unless that issue happens to be very important. I don't think this counts for much when people are more concerned about putting food on the table.
 

dumpthemonarchy

House Member
Jan 18, 2005
4,235
14
38
Vancouver
www.cynicsunlimited.com
He better have more than just the HRC's. A single issue candidate doesn't fare well, unless that issue happens to be very important. I don't think this counts for much when people are more concerned about putting food on the table.

Boy, don't worry about anything until every last person is fed. Seems like a high standard to get beyond basic needs. Justice is important all the time. HRCs at this time have difficulty with the subject, some worse than others. They can't operate in secret like they do in Onterrible.
 

Tonington

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 27, 2006
15,441
150
63
Boy, don't worry about anything until every last person is fed. Seems like a high standard to get beyond basic needs. Justice is important all the time. HRCs at this time have difficulty with the subject, some worse than others. They can't operate in secret like they do in Onterrible.

Justice is important all the time, but unless your head is in the sand you would know that there are more pressing concerns for people right now. I'm simply saying that this is not the most pragmatic feather to stick in your cap right now, as a politician.

I'm no fan of HRC's either. I just don't think it's wise to base an election on the issue.
 

taxslave

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 25, 2008
36,362
4,341
113
Vancouver Island
Nobody much cares about the abuses by HRC's until they set their sights on You. Then it will be too late because there is nobody left to help you.
 

dumpthemonarchy

House Member
Jan 18, 2005
4,235
14
38
Vancouver
www.cynicsunlimited.com
Nobody much cares about the abuses by HRC's until they set their sights on You. Then it will be too late because there is nobody left to help you.

So true.

I recall rallies by women's groups with banners saying more or less,
"Hard times won't stop us from getting our rights." So screw convenience. Justice now and justice forever.

It's just one part of one candidate's platform so far. A hot button issue, sure, but he's not campaigning to have them abolished, just changed so they are more like normal courts that dispense real justice and not advocacy.This will reduce gov't abuse of citizens, it's a no brainer.
 

Tonington

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 27, 2006
15,441
150
63
A hot button issue, sure, but he's not campaigning to have them abolished, just changed so they are more like normal courts that dispense real justice and not advocacy.

Did you pick the thread title? He is campaigning to have them abolished...

If he makes them like normal courts, and changes how they function, he will have destroyed the Ontario HRC as it stands now. Putting an end to these courts is abolishing them, by definition. They are redundant monstrosities anyways. The CCoC has plenty of teeth to deal with these issues covered by the HRC's. If they are worried about actual complaints by employees and not frivolous lawsuits, maybe they should look at changing the provincial labour board functions and procedures...
 

dumpthemonarchy

House Member
Jan 18, 2005
4,235
14
38
Vancouver
www.cynicsunlimited.com
Did you pick the thread title? He is campaigning to have them abolished...

If he makes them like normal courts, and changes how they function, he will have destroyed the Ontario HRC as it stands now. Putting an end to these courts is abolishing them, by definition. They are redundant monstrosities anyways. The CCoC has plenty of teeth to deal with these issues covered by the HRC's. If they are worried about actual complaints by employees and not frivolous lawsuits, maybe they should look at changing the provincial labour board functions and procedures...

Usually reform means improvement. And in this case reform means restrained-like they are in BC where they deal mainly with work and housing issues. Their secrecy and advocacy are just so dated. They are Kafkaesque.

What's the CCoC?
 

dumpthemonarchy

House Member
Jan 18, 2005
4,235
14
38
Vancouver
www.cynicsunlimited.com
On CBC radio this morning I listened to Sunday Morning and Ezra Levant was on with an academic from the University of Ottawa and an MP. The show is not yet on the CBC website.

The academic was from Quebec and she had trouble understanding English. She got all flustered with the word prosecuted and wandered off on a tangent about a fairer society. And she was out of touch overall.

If she's the best advocate of HRCs, then they're sunk.
 

scoops11

Time Out
Jun 1, 2009
16
0
1
yeah its about time we did something about the OHRC. maybe a downsizing but not total abolishment.