One Month Into Prorogation...

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mt_pockets1000 said:
A report I read this morning claims more than 40% of Canadians are not happy with this proroguing of parliament, calling it an attack on democracy. But due to apathy they chose to remain at home when the protests were called a few days ago.

Here's the link.

With the Conservatives slipping in the polls we could potentially end up with a Liberal minority government in the next election. Now that Harper has stacked the senate on the conservative side, we the people will be held hostage once again due to political maneuvering and their insatiable lust for power.

As always, the politicians have conveniently forgotten why they are in Ottawa in the first place.
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I heard on CBC just yesterday that opinion polls are neck and neck, with Liberals slightly ahead. So prorogation clearly did not serve its purpose.

And let us not kid ourselves the purpose was very much political in nature. The government wanted to shut down the embarrassing enquires by the Parliamentary committees. Harper clearly hoped that with embarrassing news shut off, his popularity will increase. Exactly opposite seems to have happened.

Of course there is no guarantee that Liberals will stay ahead in the polls. However, prorogation was clearly counterproductive; it did not serve its purpose.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
I heard on CBC just yesterday that opinion polls are neck and neck, with Liberals slightly ahead. So prorogation clearly did not serve its purpose.

And let us not kid ourselves the purpose was very much political in nature. The government wanted to shut down the embarrassing enquires by the Parliamentary committees. Harper clearly hoped that with embarrassing news shut off, his popularity will increase. Exactly opposite seems to have happened.

Of course there is no guarantee that Liberals will stay ahead in the polls. However, prorogation was clearly counterproductive; it did not serve its purpose.
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Of course it was political in nature.....as has been every prorogation in history....including the one whwn jean the Don ducked the A-G's report on the sponsorship scandal by proroguing.......and leaving Martin holding the bag.

the big problem the Liberals seem to have with the Conservatives is that they are acting like Liberals........which doesn't please me. But as I have NEVER voted Liberal, as I was a member of Reform and then the CA....I have a bloody right to be pissed. The Liberals could kindly spare me their outrage.

AND, btw, the Conservatives have yet to steal several tens of millions of our dollars.

Parliament needed to be prorogued....for the life of me, I don't understand the outrage......
 
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Colpy said:
Of course it was political in nature.....as has been every prorogation in history....including the one whwn jean the Don ducked the A-G's report on the sponsorship scandal by proroguing.......and leaving Martin holding the bag.

the big problem the Liberals seem to have with the Conservatives is that they are acting like Liberals........which doesn't please me. But as I have NEVER voted Liberal, as I was a member of Reform and then the CA....I have a bloody right to be pissed. The Liberals could kindly spare me their outrage.

AND, btw, the Conservatives have yet to steal several tens of millions of our dollars.

Parliament needed to be prorogued....for the life of me, I don't understand the outrage......
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Hmmm, hell has frozed over again: I agree with Colpy
 
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The interesting aspect now is that McGuinty would like to prorogue the Ont legislature, but he's afraid of how it will be perceived...don't know why he'd worry about that.
 
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Mostly irritation. With media coverage that seems to suggest it was somehow illegal, which it's not, it's a perfectly normal and legitimate way to end a session. With Liberals trying to claim the moral high ground as if this were some outrageous ethical failing on Harper's part, which it's not, it's just political opportunism and they've done it too. With our political system that allows so much power to be concentrated in the PMO; I think a better idea might be to have the MPs choose the PM after the House has been elected. That would mean they could also remove him and pick another one without the government falling. And with Harper himself for doing it, in what I perceive to be a pretty high handed and cynical move to shut down a committee investigation he didn't like. I'm feeling increasing sympathy with some graffitti I once saw spray painted under a bridge in Saskatoon: Don't vote, it only encourages them.
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My biggest bitch is that Canadian MPs all get roughly $154,000.00 as an anual salary and more if they happen to be cabinet ministers. These people are paid to run the country. I want them there full time. I would even put up with a thirty seven and a half hour week with normal hollidays but that is a joke. They don't even work half of that, or even a quarter of that. Their actual work is about 200 hours a year. That is not acceptable. Prorogation must mean the country is perfect and doesn't need anymore work. I say B.S.....
 
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#juan said:
My biggest bitch is that Canadian MPs all get roughly $154,000.00 as an anual salary and more if they happen to be cabinet ministers. These people are paid to run the country. I want them there full time. I would even put up with a thirty seven and a half hour week with normal hollidays but that is a joke. They don't even work half of that, or even a quarter of that. Their actual work is about 200 hours a year. That is not acceptable. Prorogation must mean the country is perfect and doesn't need anymore work. I say B.S.....
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Well that just puts a whole different slant on things, I thought M.P. s earned about $70,000, they don't just have their mouths in the trough but their whole head and both feet as well. It's nothng short of criminal. First thing is we should but back from 306 of the bastards to 153 and then halve their salary. Bloody criminals.
 
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I'd like to hear your reasons for this one....please.
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I listed them elsewhere.....but here you go:

Prorogation is a reset button.....and we need to reset, start again, with a new budget......we are no longer in recession, but we sure as heck are sinking into debt rapidly. New times, new problems, need new tactics.

The issue of Afghan detainees........while BADLY mishandled by the Conservatives......needed to be silenced for a bit. We're in a war, fer God's sake, you don't supply the enemy with propaganda materials! Doubt the wisdom of that? Ask how many joined the iraqi resistence after the Abu Gahib scandal.

Now NO Canadian has been accused of torturing prisoners, in fact the only case that has come to light Canadians took BACK a detainee because he was being assaulted. Good on us, why are we getting crap? And why does the gov't INSIST on acting as if it is guilty of something??? Dammit.

But I digress.....thirdly, Harper had Senate appointments to make, committees to re-align, a gov't to entrench.....and I do not mean that in any negative way.....the gov't's job is to rule, they are simply making it easier in legitimate ways.......
 
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#juan said:
My biggest bitch is that Canadian MPs all get roughly $154,000.00 as an anual salary and more if they happen to be cabinet ministers. These people are paid to run the country. I want them there full time. I would even put up with a thirty seven and a half hour week with normal hollidays but that is a joke. They don't even work half of that, or even a quarter of that. Their actual work is about 200 hours a year. That is not acceptable. Prorogation must mean the country is perfect and doesn't need anymore work. I say B.S.....
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hmmmmmm

Go here, this is an actual letter from John Baird....as it points out....a very, very busy John Baird.

I think you're getting your money's worth....read on....

From the desk of a clearly very, very busy John Baird ... - Inside Politics
 
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With the strangling commander being the buddy of Paul Bernardo the military questions should still be fresh in March when they come back
 
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So far I haven't noticed any slower service from Ottawa. One plus is that the politicians are not jumping all over each other to see which one can waste the most tax dollars to buy our votes with.
With todays technology the formal sitting of parliament is probably unnecessary and certainly expensive. When our elected reps are in their ridings it is much easier for us to keep an eye on them and a whole lot harder for the locusts(lobbyists) to bribe them.
 
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#juan said:
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I can show you an actual letter from me which would prove about as much as the one from Baird. I don't believe he had to work on Christmas day. If he did, he took more than enough days off to make up for it.
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Come on #Juan, let's see some Xmas spirit. On the days the bastards aren't working, at least they are ONLY costing us their salary.
 
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I don't really care who did what. Glibs and Cons BOTH pull political thuggery and buggery.
 
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