Yes we have the most stringent regulations in our oil and gas sector in the world , let’s think off the children and shut them down . Great idea we can get our oil and gas from such environmental champions as Venezuela .
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So are we better off importing oil from less environmentally friendly regimes ?
Fossil fuels being necessary for some time to come, I favor sourcing them from countries that have deserved reputations for good environmental and industrial standards for extraction.
Same way I feel about pipelines. I don't like 'em. But I like trucks and trains even less, because they have a higher rate of spillage per volume per distance.
This shouldn't even be politics. It's just math.
At what speed, by what actors, and most importantly, with what financial incentives alternatives are developed. . . now that's politics.
Same way I feel about pipelines. I don't like 'em. But I like trucks and trains even less, because they have a higher rate of spillage per volume per distance.
This shouldn't even be politics. It's just math.
At what speed, by what actors, and most importantly, with what financial incentives alternatives are developed. . . now that's politics.
You don’t think we are doing enough ? Have you noticed the air quality improving steadily since we stopped putting lead and sulphur in our gasoline and started heating our homes with natural gas ? Have you noticed the myriad of environmental regulations surrounding every project and endeavour? Look around your worksite , how much is done in the name of environmental consciousness?
You can also look into the stem courses in University and see all the work going into R&D .
I honestly don’t get why this is so fucking lost on people . We are not stagnant.
That's not what we're talking about here, Canada produces more than we use domestically. The problem here is ramping up production when we have committed to reducing emissions. Just because somebody outside the country is burning oil we sell them doesn't mean the junk isn't going to still end up in the atmosphere.
Canada has no oil imports then (?) & a way to supply its own product nationally? Just because we have some of the highest environmental standards in our oil industry compared to the rest of the planet doesn’t mean that using Canadian Oil elsewhere then also wouldn’t be a global environmental improvement (?) or it’s bad ‘cuz it’s oil from predominantly Western Canada?
Exactly what has Poilievre done beyond proposing a method to bypass Quebec to get Canadian oil to Canadians at this point (?) and maybe even to Europe to help neuter a regime like Putins (?) or is that bad too ‘cuz it’s oil from predominantly Western Canada?
As I understand it, most of the emissions come from burning, not from extraction. As a global matter, therefore, would it not make sense to have the largest possible amount of fossil be extracted in countries that have good environmental and industrial standards? It would make no difference to total burning, and would work a benefit in terms of sound extraction methods.
I'm always a bit suspicious of the domestic vs. foreign argument. The state of the fossil industry is such that there is essentially an "oil lake" the inputs and outputs of which are impossibly complex and untraceable. That will not change without a massive reworking of the entire system. I do know that the primary investors in alternate energy sources are either oil companies, or governments immediately followed by oil companies.
You can talk to our politicians about why we can't get Canadian oil to eastern Canada, replacing current imports from the middle east with Canadian product makes perfect sense to me. Poilievre wants to get our oil on to the global market without going through the US, which makes perfect business sense but real shitty environmental sense. Building an oil port on the Hudson's Bay does not suggest that he has anything short term in mind. We are supposed to be reducing our fossil fuel use, not expanding it. The environment has always taken second place to profits in the Conservative mind.
….. then on the social front of the domestic versus foreign oil…. Which nation is producing it and what regime is being propped up by its extraction??
I get that Saudi Arabia is a great place to party, but with values that differ from Canadas, & that Putin is a potentially a good guy in some limited circumstances but not so much in others…& his current ambitions are funded from Russian oil sales or royalties, but it’s not like the liberals to pretend to care about social issues or anything.
I get that Saudi Arabia is a great place to party, but with values that differ from Canadas, & that Putin is a potentially a good guy in some limited circumstances but not so much in others…& his current ambitions are funded from Russian oil sales or royalties, but it’s not like the liberals to pretend to care about social issues or anything.
I'm sure you could. But it would not be cost-free. You may be confident that the current oil production, refining, and distribution system developed in the way that was cheapest, considering existing infrastructure, transportation, and methods. Any non-economic factors like "Oil from Rurutania for Ruritania!" can only increase the cost. It would also require a lot of new oil infrastructure, which could provide an incentive to slow down conversion to alternatives because of disinclination to waste infrastructure capacity.
In other words, it would be damn silly to spend a few trillion to ensure that all of Canada's oil goes to Canadian end users when routing it through Texas refineries and then shipping it where it's needed (including Canada, and shipping refined Saudi, or Russian, or Venezuelan oil to Canada) makes more sense in terms of end-user cost. And even if you could keep end-user cost the same, that extra cost has to come from somewhere, and I rather imagine your average Big Oil director will cut the budget for R&D into alternatives long before he'll cut executive compensation or shareholder return.
As Mencken said, "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."
Admittedly I used to be 'if we have to keep with oil, I'd rather see it sent by train'.
Then it was explained to me why that's worse than pipelines, so I shifted stance.
Otherwise I totally agree with you.
That bolded part right there, I think that is a LOT of the problem.
The Western "We're being shit on cause we're the West" complex and people in the East are as tired of hearing it as I'm sure the West is tired of the East taking advantage of the West.
I honestly wonder if perhaps there are more people who are more we should use more Canadian Oil for Canadian usage than are vocal, but saying so, especially from "the east" you're looked at as a supporter of the West and somehow that equals the whole Western Ideology (social stuff like anti-LGBTQ, 'racist', etc).
Considering Saudi sends oil to us here in NB to get refined, then back to them, yeah it sucks Higgs' minuscule dick to do that and we SHOULD be using Canadian Oil for Canadian usage, but I don't see that changing and it's not to do with the West, moreso it's to do with perception of the oil that'd be sent this way, and the social push to 'be better' environmentally.
NO ONE honestly is promoting Canadian oil for Canadian usage.
And they won't.
Because I think it's political suicide if they try it, at least while on campaign. And if we bypass Quebec, that puts us into the pocket of the US for X amount of pipe mileage, which is not something people want either.
Honestly when it comes to oil, I think Canada is fucked.
Production isn't the problem in Canada, as a country we produce more than we use, but you are correct on the economics. Moving the product to market is the big problem. We can't get western oil to eastern customers, and the economics for moving away from the current set up is just not there, especially for a product who's future is more than a little uncertain. Nobody wants to risk going all-in on a project that's gong to take twenty or thirty years to pay for when noboday has a clue what state the market is going to be in in tow or three years.
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Pssssst. Newfoundland has a fuck tonne of oil. It could be barged to Irving.
Yes but our oil production has less greenhouse emissions, so even though the consumption of oil remains the same environmentally the production of oil in less environmentally friendly regimes simply takes up the slack and it still ends up in the atmosphere.
Poiliever has not moved us anywhere , if you haven’t noticed the Liberal NDP have control of parliment .
And moving us in the wrong direction , exactly how ? If producing a product in an environmentally friendly way ,that is a necessity for modern living is the wrong direction , what is the right direction , nuclear ?
Conservative , to conserve , the fact of the matter is and always has been in Canada that the Liberals are the party of big business and Howe Street . They prop up the auto sector , the media , aerospace , and everything in Quebec .
Honestly Canada was fucked a long long time ago , starting with the election of Pierre Elliot Trudeau and his just society .