Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race

The_Foxer

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Altho' I would venture that not all "older" people would support JC simply because of his past.
When push comes to shove, quite possibly not. But - there is a tendancy for people to go with the name they recognize if you catch them a little off guard. I don't think Charest's chances of actually winning an election are all that great,
 

Serryah

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When push comes to shove, quite possibly not. But - there is a tendancy for people to go with the name they recognize if you catch them a little off guard. I don't think Charest's chances of actually winning an election are all that great,
To be honest, comparatively, JC is too 'liberal' for the current crop of "Conservatives".

He might not have won a national election, but he would have been closer than most, IMO. Sad that he was the party's 'chance' at it.
 

The_Foxer

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He might not have won a national election, but he would have been closer than most, IMO. Sad that he was the party's 'chance' at it.
He might have won. People are pretty sick of JT - they might have been willing to give JC a chance. Campaigns matter and Jean is no stranger to campaigns. He doesn't always win them ;) but he's experienced. And the nice thing about being too liberal is that the liberals can't use that against you in an election. I wouldn't have ruled him out.

to be honest tho, PP's chances are better. I've seen a lot of politics and campaigns, and i don't think i've seen one as organized and put together as PP's. His social media skills are a runaway success. His message is resonating more and more every day as people get fed up with the horrible state of things right now. He's going to turn out a buttload of volunteers come election time, the party is uniting behind him. He just needs a little more polish and proper exposure and the public is going to feel a lot more comfortable with him and focus on his policies. Which are pretty sane for the most part - smaller gov't doing a few things well instead of a lot of things badly, better economic opportunity and less gov't interference. Those have often been winning messages.

If he actually gets three years i think he could have a shot at a majority. If he gets less, we'll see what happens.
 

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He might have won. People are pretty sick of JT - they might have been willing to give JC a chance. Campaigns matter and Jean is no stranger to campaigns. He doesn't always win them ;) but he's experienced. And the nice thing about being too liberal is that the liberals can't use that against you in an election. I wouldn't have ruled him out.

to be honest tho, PP's chances are better. I've seen a lot of politics and campaigns, and i don't think i've seen one as organized and put together as PP's. His social media skills are a runaway success. His message is resonating more and more every day as people get fed up with the horrible state of things right now. He's going to turn out a buttload of volunteers come election time, the party is uniting behind him. He just needs a little more polish and proper exposure and the public is going to feel a lot more comfortable with him and focus on his policies. Which are pretty sane for the most part - smaller gov't doing a few things well instead of a lot of things badly, better economic opportunity and less gov't interference. Those have often been winning messages.

If he actually gets three years i think he could have a shot at a majority. If he gets less, we'll see what happens.

We'll see.

PP might just be too 'out there' still for a lot of the idiots on the far left. The claim of "Canadian Values" being vague on his personal page makes me highly suspect of what he means. What he says there in 4 short paragraphs says nothing clear and leaves a LOT open to interpretation.
 

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Well one would expect him to be vague at this point, only a fool gets into specifics this far out from an election, but it's also the case that hes' been focusing his messaging on conservatives. After he wins he'll most likely broaden his messaging to be a little more inclusive and touch on how these issues affect others as well and try to appeal to a larger audience.

It will be interesting to see how he pivots from leadership campaign to prime minister campaign. I've been impressed with his organizational and communications skills so far, we'll see if he's ready for the big leagues.
 

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Well one would expect him to be vague at this point, only a fool gets into specifics this far out from an election, but it's also the case that hes' been focusing his messaging on conservatives. After he wins he'll most likely broaden his messaging to be a little more inclusive and touch on how these issues affect others as well and try to appeal to a larger audience.

It will be interesting to see how he pivots from leadership campaign to prime minister campaign. I've been impressed with his organizational and communications skills so far, we'll see if he's ready for the big leagues.
That was Nixon's rule for conservatives. "Run as far to the right as you can for the primary (party) election, then as fast to the center as you can for the general election."

Yeah, I know, it didn't turn out well for him, but he was elected President. Twice.
 
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Yeah, I know, it didn't turn out well for him, but he was elected President. Twice.
Well in fairness i think we can both agree his problems weren't due to his election strategy :;)

And it's an inevitable strategy that you would focus most strongly on the messages to your core during a leadership and then broaden the message after. There's nothing wrong with that of course, as long as you don't CHANGE your message like we saw with Erin O'toole. But if a guy is talking to his wife about somewhere he'd like to go on vacation he's talking all about the great beach and the shopping, but if he's talking to his friends about it he's mentioning they ALSO have great bars and a casino (y)
 
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Well in fairness i think we can both agree his problems weren't due to his election strategy :;)

And it's an inevitable strategy that you would focus most strongly on the messages to your core during a leadership and then broaden the message after. There's nothing wrong with that of course, as long as you don't CHANGE your message like we saw with Erin O'toole. But if a guy is talking to his wife about somewhere he'd like to go on vacation he's talking all about the great beach and the shopping, but if he's talking to his friends about it he's mentioning they ALSO have great bars and a casino (y)
Agreed on all counts. "Tailoring the message," they call it. And it can get right up to lying by commission or omission, but that's why it's an art, not a science.

And why it's "tailoring the message" when MY side does it and LYING! when YOUR side does it. . .
 

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They are smart to skip the debate , it would only put them on the spot and give the media ammunition to paint them as far right extremists .
I think the media would self-destruct if they tried labeling Lewis as a far right extremist.
If she wins the CPC leadership it would also be a tough fight for the Truedope Libshits who like to paint everyone who opposes them as misogynists and White supremacists. In fact, Lewis could potentially kill off the Libshits by exclaiming that any Liberal criticism of her or mudslinging towards her is grounded in deep seating feelings of misogyny and White Supremacy.

If you wanna see leftists completely lose their shit, just play their stupid little games right back at 'em.
 

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I think the media would self-destruct if they tried labeling Lewis as a far right extremist.
If she wins the CPC leadership it would also be a tough fight for the Truedope Libshits who like to paint everyone who opposes them as misogynists and White supremacists. In fact, Lewis could potentially kill off the Libshits by exclaiming that any Liberal criticism of her or mudslinging towards her is grounded in deep seating feelings of misogyny and White Supremacy.

If you wanna see leftists completely lose their shit, just play their stupid little games right back at 'em.
I agree however PP appears to be riding a wave .
 

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I agree however PP appears to be riding a wave .
It sure looks like he has the party leadership in the bag. I wonder if he'll change his tune any to appeal to a wider voter base if he does indeed become CPC leader ? What's working for a lot of those supporting him now will just not fly with the center and anything left of there.
 

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It sure looks like he has the party leadership in the bag. I wonder if he'll change his tune any to appeal to a wider voter base if he does indeed become CPC leader ? What's working for a lot of those supporting him now will just not fly with the center and anything left of there.
The "left" voters will never vote CPC. They make nice speeches about "if only CPC did this" but in the end they will stick with their Lieberals or NDP (Lieberal-lite) vote. The centre or unaffiliated vote is who they need to attract and their is a discussion farther in this thread about that. I have no doubt that PP will play the centre after becoming leader. Keep the focus on the current dipshit in office and off of himself.
 

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The "left" voters will never vote CPC. They make nice speeches about "if only CPC did this" but in the end they will stick with their Lieberals or NDP (Lieberal-lite) vote. The centre or unaffiliated vote is who they need to attract and their is a discussion farther in this thread about that. I have no doubt that PP will play the centre after becoming leader. Keep the focus on the current dipshit in office and off of himself.
Which, ya gotta admit, seems like a pretty sound strategy.

I think he should lead with a promise to BUILD A WALL to keep out the delicate Yanks who say they'll go to Canada if Trump gets elected in 2024.
 

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It sure looks like he has the party leadership in the bag. I wonder if he'll change his tune any to appeal to a wider voter base if he does indeed become CPC leader ? What's working for a lot of those supporting him now will just not fly with the center and anything left of there.
What is wrong with his present message ? It resonates well with voters . The CPC are never going to appeal to staunch Liberal or NDP supporters .
 

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Yes, one which the last 2 CPC leaders have failed at miserably.
that's not accurate. For sure Erin did - and it might have paid off if he hadn't flip flopped so badly. But scheer didn't. He just ran the worst campaign in political history.

PP will certainly look to broaden his appeal but there's nothing wrong with that as long as he doesn't CHANGE his message. For example right now he's talking about the need to eliminate gatekeepers and defund the cbc. Which is fine, that's for his base. But there would be no conflict with that if he later said "and i'm going to use the money we save from the cbc to bump up health care transfers". That's not at odds with his messaging so far. But it's a message that would tend to appeal to the left.

Frankly he's already drawing in a lot of younger ndp supporters. There's no need to shift policy to the left to win. He just has to broaden the messaging and make sure the left can see how it benefits them. People on the left still want to own a home, still want to keep their taxes moderate, etc.
 

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What is wrong with his present message ? It resonates well with voters . The CPC are never going to appeal to staunch Liberal or NDP supporters .
It resonates with voters that are already conservative supporters. He's going to need a new message if he hopes to grow outside that part of the electorate. O'Toole tried to cater to the centre and it just cost him votes from those further to the right. A lot of people, a lot, see PP as far right, too close to what happened with Trump supporters south of the border for their comfort. He doesn't even have full support within the party, he's going to have a hard time growing beyond their current ranks unless he finds a new shtick.
 
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It resonates with voters that are already conservative supporters. He's going to need a new message if he hopes to grow outside that part of the electorate. O'Toole tried to cater to the centre and it just cost him votes from those further to the right. A lot of people, a lot, see PP as far right, too close to what happened with Trump supporters south of the border for their comfort. He doesn't even have full support within the party, he's going to have a hard time growing beyond their current ranks unless he finds a new shtick.
No one in the political arena has full support within their party . Conventions and confidence votes highlight the divide . Of course a lot of people see PP as Trump like because that is what the Toronto centric media told them to believe .
 

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Conservative politics are resonating with young Canadians, according to recent polls. Pierre Poilievre is getting much of the credit for this growth in support.

Political observers are trying to figure out what’s going on. And I might have some helpful insights to explain.

As president of Canada Strong and Free Network, formerly known as the Manning Centre, I have been particularly focused on engaging Millennial and Gen Z Canadians. I’ve spoken directly with countless young conservatives as we launch a new mentorship program for conservatives under 30. Over the past week, I’ve spent hours reading through applications for the program.

Here’s my biggest takeaway that might explain why young Canadians are becoming more amenable to conservative politics: Conservatism is the new counterculture. Liberals are now “the man.”
The rest at the above link.

In the 1960s and 1970s, the young rebels calling for freedom successfully championed voting rights and equality under the law. In 2022, young rebels want to end government overreach into our communities, pursue home ownership and embrace true diversity: diversity of thought.
 
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