Right..they are typically executed shortly after they are caught. Some have had their heads sawed off and bodies mutilated.
But you're just being you.
Omar Khadr- Release him now
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Right..they are typically executed shortly after they are caught. Some have had their heads sawed off and bodies mutilated.
But you're just being you.
C'mon...I've known you since you first come onto the CanCon scene. Before you took your hiatus. You've always had a hard-on against Americans to some point. Not as much as a few diehards but it is obvious regardless of what you say. Sure we get along here and there but don't play like there is not an emotional attachment for this Canadian kid being held by the big bad US.
Child soldier....fine...I can't wait until we get rid of him.
Beheading, torturing the men and then dragging their bodies through the streets behind cars, forced confessions aired throughout the globe?
Come to think of it, none of those guys lived to tell the authorities that they were forced to listen to loud music or that their beauty-sleep was interrupted.
Funny, I think it was this forum on another topic that I pointed out that the US so far on record has had only one soldier captured in Afghanistan, whom is actually still alive right now.... and one other case where a helicopter crashed or was shot down and the soldiers were gunned down during a firefight.
Other then that, the Taliban/Al'Q in Afghanistan don't have many opportunities to actually capture a US soldier..... so your above claims are completely exaggerated.
I can only assume you'd lay out such an exaggeration based on emotion ;-)
You want to compare the numbers of women and children blown up, shot, raped and mutilated by US soldiers? These people have payed hell for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for soldiers who are trained to kill. Khadr was just a kid who had just had his family and friends blown to hell. He threw a grenade in retaliation. Kinda a like trowing a rock at a tank, but, he deserves to be treated like a criminal. Gi' yer hed a sake!
Do you know anything about Afghanistan or the Culture?
Just about every household in Afghanistan has an AK-47 under its roof.... just like just about every American household has usually more then one gun under their roofs.
And yet, the US is supposed to be one of the greatest, richest, safest nations in the world.... especially compared to Afghanistan.... so how does one explain the guns in American homes?
They all can't be terrorists.... ah yes.... the argument is that those guns are used to protect their homes and property. Yet the funny thing is that in Afghanistan, they have more reason to need protection for themselves, their homes and property..... yet you don't think they should have guns? :roll:
Gotta love the double standard.
Yes... ain't it funny that in the constant state of war in both Iraq and Afghanistan only one US soldier has been listed as captured and is alive?
Ever wonder what happens to the rest of them? Want me to fish out some stories?
Isn't he Canadian?
Yes and Anti-Tank mines must be all about culture and home defense.
Like I said... a ship load of evidence would never persuade you above your emotions.
If there were no foreign tanks there would be no need for anti-tank mines and yes, they are defending their homes and country against collateral damage and "friendly" fire. We have no business being there.
As I mentioned to you shortly before my "Hiatus", any venom I had towards the US was specifically geared directly at people who were responsible in any mentioned topic.
The greater majority of the crap I flung was flung at Bush and his Republican Cronies at the time.... his odd and stupid new laws he introduced, the Patriot Act, etc.
The only time I ever generalized Americans is when someone in a topic tossed the generalizations towards Canadians, like Evil Socialist, Universal Health Care, our Gun Laws, the way we talk, etc..... most of it was ignorant generalizations towards Canadians as a whole, never really focused on one specific topic or subject, no real legit content or detailed examples... just sniping and attacks..... so when in Rome, I flung back in an equal fashion to see how they liked their own medicine.
Most of the time they didn't like it..... other times people would know when I'm not being serious at all (like the US / Canada Invasions/War Conversations, all for giggles)
As I said in the past a couple of years ago, which remains true today, I don't hate every and all Americans and I have no personal vendetta against the US..... but as it goes towards your way of life, it is not something I'm interested in. I'm sure you're not all that interested in our way of life in much the same way.... we're accustomed to what we were born and raised in.
But when it comes to this topic in particular, it involves elements from both our countries in quite a controversial situation that can easily ignite emotional responses.
However, as mentioned before, Omar has no direct or indirect affect on my everyday life or ability to enjoy it.... his head can implode two minutes from me posting this and die and I probably wouldn't bat an eye, because it doesn't really matter to me.
But for discussion/debate purposes, I take interest in what's actually going on with Omar and this joke of a legal system, because if this is allowed to happen to him, what's stopping this from happening to anybody else?
If my own Prime Minister won't stand up and do what is technically right, even if I personally don't think Omar should be protected by our rights or not.... then what's stopping this from happening again in the future with any other Canadian Citizen?
When one cuts away all the crap, it boils down to Justice and the Law..... and as far as I see it... Omar, you, I, and everybody else is Innocent until Proven Guilty.... even if Omar, you, I or anybody else is in fact guilty.
There is such a thing as due process and a fair trial.... that's one of the foundations for the societies you and I live in and beyond all of that, the process it made to find out the "Truth".... Not pin a crime on someone just for the sake of satisfying public outrage..... that's what separates our societies from those we finger point as evil and wrong, whom behead and cut people's hands off, or dump acid on people's heads.
When we curtail our forms of justice by making up side-courts with different rules and laws that make the person in question guilty before a trial even begins.... then what actually separates us from those we're supposed to be fighting?
When we abandon our principles and stoop to the level of those we're trying to fight, we already lost.
It's not emotion.... it's logic.
In this discussion, I couldn't care less what happened or is happening in Iraq.... Iraq is not Afghanistan and in Afghanistan, the currently captured US soldier who's still currently alive and apparently being treated well is the only recorded case of a US soldier captured in Afghanistan.
Stop trying to cloud the argument with more baseless emotional arguments like pulling situations from Iraq into this discussion of Omar and Afghanistan, as Iraq has nothing to do with what we're talking about here in anyway.
It's all irrelevant considering captured US soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan has nothing to do with the topic in question, unless you plan on suggesting Omar himself captured US Soldiers and you have records of what he did.
You are again proving my point towards emotional attachment to this subject.
You're delving further and further into un-related discussions of what the Taliban/Al'Q may or may not do to their prisoners and somehow attempting to pin all their actions on this one person.
Once again, ignoring all evidence and only interested in making an example.
The other thing I see is you attempting to defend this clown-court and what Omar and other Gitmo prisoners have been subjected to, by trying to express examples towards what they do to their own prisoners.... therefore trying to justify stooping to their level (or even lower) and disregarding everything our countries are supposed to represent.
Indeed he is.... but if you were keeping up to the discussion, he was "Captured" in Afghanistan..... the image in question with him holding up the Q and the AK in the background was part of a video he was in, that was found in Afghanistan and there is no identification of when or where that video was taken, who's house that was, or even if that was his AK in the background.
I'm pretty sure at his age when that was taken he couldn't afford his own house, AK or anything for that matter and reports claim the house shown in the video was of the house he was captured in.
If you were implying the image was taken while he was in Canada and they had an AK in the house, you'd be mistaken.
You're the nation with all the guns, you tell me.
I've been keeping my emotions out of this debate on purpose.... you continually saying I'm based around emotions will not eventually make it true.
Don't forget, I'm not the one in this debate trying to side track off into Iraq or other un-related things.
I know, eh? :lol:
Our Canadian children are very talented and good at multi-tasking it seems.
It was never Osama who blew up the WTC and it was never Saddam who had WoMD, which is why they never found any in Iraq..... it was a group of Canadian tweens running amok and starting all this crap we've been going through for the last 10 years or so.
With education like The Goonies and The Muppet Babies, it's no surprise.
Since Omar's incarceration, we replaced him with Justin Bieber.... it's only a matter of time before he secretly convinces the world that Iran is indeed working on Nukes and a whole new war will start.
Silly world... when will they realize Canada's running the show :canada:
He will probably need serious psychiatric help after all these years of torture and abuse. I would think that he will have trouble re-assimilating. He has been robbed of almost half of his life. He probably has very little in social skills required to live here. I would not b surprised if he went back to Afghanistan as soon as he could, perhaps become a freedom fighter after how he has been treated in the west.
This isn't about the contents of a typical American home... It's about what Omar Khadr was doing there.
In terms of your scenario, here's the catch... Khadr isn't an Afghan.
The only possible double standard here is that Khadr is looking to get as much lattitude from as many different sides as possible in order to justify his actions.