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It is odd that during the Nuermburg(sp?) trials there is no record of any of the accused nazi officials or anyone denying the fact 6 million were killed.


all this stuff surfaced in the latter part of last century by people with an agenda towards Jews.

And what is wrong with jews? I'm seeing stuff on this forum towards jews that is starting to niggle at me.

Look the present Israeli govt. is questionable and fair to question their actions in handling foriegn attacks.....But this is not reason to start in on Jew bashing.

Are we to harras Canadians cause we got an idiot for pm and a bunch of idiots voted for him for all the wrong reasons?

Are we to go back to a time in quebec when in the 60's we could see signs up north in resorts"No Jews Allowed".
 

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Instead of referring to propaganda sites -- whether for OR against the "Holocaust" -- why not allow all professional historians to investigate the FACTS THEMSELVES? The Jews do not want this. Why? because they tried the "6 Million Jews Died" lie during WORLD WAR ONE...and it didn't "take". So they swept THAT under the rug (though newspaper archives STILL hold the story!), and started fresh in World War TWO.

A recent international convention of historians asked this very thing: why are we not allowed to even LOOK? Why are these questions forbidden to ask? In a field of science -- in this case, history -- there should be no forbidden questions. Again I ask, why are the Jews afraid of their purported "truth" being examined by experts? If the "Bad Guys" -- i.e., the Neo-Nazis -- are willing to allow these impartial 3rd party professional historians to settle the question (and what could be more FAIR, after all?), then why should the supposed "Good Guys" -- the Jews -- be afraid of allowing the same thing? It is always those who have something to HIDE who are afraid of the facts of a case being examined impartially. Note that IMPARTIALITY is the key here: we should not go by the neo-nazi, or racist sites...but neither should we go by the Jews' sites. Only impartial, 3rd party experts -- professional historians -- can properly settle this issue. Let the experts do their job: the job they WANT to do, but are being PREVENTED from doing!

Well that's simple, they've been through enough. No one has to rehash whether African Americans were really as mistreated as some claim. Everyone knows it. No one has to go through the whole proccess and open up the old wounds. I can say that I do't believe it for a moment but it doesn't change the facts at all.

What you seem desparate to over look yourself here is that there was a systematic attempt by Germans and others to mass excecute Jews, not to mention the near perfection of that system under Stalin killing 20 million more people.

Exactly what is it that you are trying to say to the children who have lost whole families to the holocaust, who remember the time they spent in the concentration camps, who still bare the tattoo they were branded with by
Nazi Germans just following order?

Tell me the benefit we get from putting so many people into a situation that isn't going to bring about any wonderous revalations, lift peoples spirits up or lead to any truth that changes even a single thing.

I can tell you there isn't any. All that comes of people like you doing this is one more kick at someone who has already been through more than their share at the hands of monsters.

We don't need to go back and review African Slavery nor do we need to go back and review the slaughter of the North American Indian. It's done and we need to get on with further resolving the differences that divide us, bring an end to the problems we face now with intolerance, poverty, sickness and pollution.

What we don't need is some moronic attempt to again spit the venom that resulted in that much death and suffering.
 
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Well that's simple, they've been through enough. No one has to rehash whether African Americans were really as mistreated as some claim. Everyone knows it. No one has to go through the whole proccess and open up the old wounds. I can say that I do't believe it for a moment but it doesn't change the facts at all.

What you seem desparate to over look yourself here is that there was a systematic attempt by Germans and others to mass excecute Jews, not to mention the near perfection of that system under Stalin killing 20 million more people.

Exactly what is it that you are trying to say to the children who have lost whole families to the holocaust, who remember the time they spent in the concentration camps, who still bare the tattoo they were branded with by
Nazi Germans just following order?

Tell me the benefit we get from putting so many people into a situation that isn't going to bring about any wonderous revalations, lift peoples spirits up or lead to any truth that changes even a single thing.

I can tell you there isn't any. All that comes of people like you doing this is one more kick at someone who has already been through more than their share at the hands of monsters.

We don't need to go back and review African Slavery nor do we need to go back and review the slaughter of the North American Indian. It's done and we need to get on with further resolving the differences that divide us, bring an end to the problems we face now with intolerance, poverty, sickness and pollution.

What we don't need is some moronic attempt to again spit the venom that resulted in that much death and suffering.

And thats why I love the unfydo.
 

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Stretch... do you suppose this is fabricated too?


Polish girl's Holocaust diary unveiled


By ARON HELLER, Associated Press WriterMon Jun 4, 7:01 PM ET

The diary of a 14-year-old Jewish girl dubbed the "Polish Anne Frank" was unveiled on Monday, chronicling the horrors she witnessed in a Jewish ghetto — at one point watching a Nazi soldier tear a Jewish baby away from his mother and kill him with his bare hands.
The diary, written by Rutka Laskier in 1943 shortly before she was deported to Auschwitz, was released by Israel's Holocaust museum more than 60 years after she recorded what is both a daily account of the horrors of the Holocaust in Bedzin, Poland and a memoir of the life of a teenager in extraordinary circumstances.
"The rope around us is getting tighter and tighter," the teenager wrote in 1943, shortly before she was deported to Auschwitz. "I'm turning into an animal waiting to die."
Within a few months Rutka was dead and, it seemed, her diary lost. But last year, a Polish friend who had saved the notebook finally came forth, exposing a riveting historical document.

more here
 

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If 100's and 1000's of people(historians, teachers, doctors, VICTIMS, german soldiers, allied soldiers) say IT HAPPENED and have proof (documents by the nazi's, journals written by those kept hidden), why would I believe some shmuck on the internet who has provided no links, no real names and says they're all wrong? I wouldn't. To you I turn a blind eye and a deaf ear. You are the people who would belittle those who risked their lives to hide jewish children in their homes. You belittle the suffering of those who suffered, were degraded, humiliated, burned, gassed, tortured, experimented on, and killed because an insane man. You know nothing. Shame on you!
 

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This is how Holocaust deniers work their little game, first pretend you're really looking for the whole truth, throw in the name of one or two valid researchers and in the process insert a seed of doubt here and there, and slowly snowball it into something more.
This guy was just too obvious; and ruffled everybody's feathers right of the bat:p....I don't think he convinced anyone.:lol:
 

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Doc Dred: "all this stuff surfaced in the latter part of last century by people with an agenda towards Jews."

Not true at all. If you would look at the available material, you would see that there were many trying to make the truth known right from the beginning: but as MikeyDB stated above, since the Jews control the mass media, there was no way to get the truth out. Go online and research the names of those who own ALL of the major media outlets: TV stations, magazines, publishing companies, radio stations, etc.: you will see a disturbing trend.

It has only been with the introduction of the Internet that people who previously could NOT be heard due to the Jewish stranglehold on the media could finally get their message out.

Odd...this type of behavior is exactly what caused the Jews to become targets in Germany in the '20s and '30s, with Hitler finally being the one to implement offical policies toward them...
 

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Imagine what would happen to ANY group that was advocating violent overthrow of the government in either the U.S. or Canada, ESPECIALLY after 9/11!! George "Dubya" would have any such group members as he could round up sent to "Git'mo".

Imagine? You don't have to imagine, it happens all the time. Falls under free speech, though. No gitmo, as far as I know.
 

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"What you seem desparate to over look yourself here is that there was a systematic attempt by Germans and others to mass excecute Jews, not to mention the near perfection of that system under Stalin killing 20 million more people. "

Check your history books again. The 20 million people who were executed under Stalin were CHRISTIANS! Remember, the Jews were the ones who CREATED Communism: it was THEM pulling the strings in Communist Russia, and the years following WWII saw the "revenge" killin of over 20 Million Christians at their hands. But nobody ever hears about that as a "Holocaust". 20 Million vs. 6 Million: but you don;t hear the Christians using the same "guilt trip" tactics as the Jews: and the 20 Million dead Christians were MUCH better documented than the supposed 6 Million Jews: a number that even major JEWISH authorities have admitted may be as much as HALF as much. Yes, 3 Million is still alot (if THAT number is even accurate: but since many top-level Jewish officials admit to it, ;et's use it, since it's not "racists" who are claiming it!), but this shows that the "6 Million" figure that is touted like gospel by the Jewish Press is NOT accurate. Yet, when History Professors try to find out what the accurate number actually IS, they are claled "racists", and fired...even though TENURED!

Doesn't anyone see the problem with this? When top JEWISH officals THEMSELVES have admitted that the "6 Million" number is not accurate, and it could have been as few as 3 Million: why is it a bad thing for History Professors and professional Historians to attempt to ascertain an accurate figure?

Note that these professional academics are NOT "Holocaust Deniers". They are NOT "racists" or "Neo-Nazis": they simply want to do what they have made their life's work: discovering what REALLY happened in history!

As someone mentioned above, having a time machine would be the only TRULY accurate way to know for SURE, becasue the winner always write (or re-write!) history! I feel sorry for historians: they really have their job cut out for them! Their job is hard enough, without being told that "Thou shalt not look here!" Why not let them do their jobs? As I said, they are NOT "Holocaust Deniers" at ALL! NONE of the ones who were fired EVER said that it did NOT happen! They are simply asking for the "right" (though they should not even have to ASK for that right in a "free" country!) to do research and determine an accurate number. Given that Jewish officals admit that a discrepancy of as much as 3 Million exists, that is a LARGE DISCREPANCY!!! Why not let those whose job it is to uncover such things determine an ACCURATE number?

Look at the Vietnam Nam Memorial in Washington D.C. for an example: whenever it is broguht to someone's attention that a person is missing, their family is allowed to have them added. Or is someone who was listed as dead is found to be alive and well, they are taken off: of if they are MIA rather than KIA, they are taken off. That is as it SHOULD be! You would think the Jews would want that accuracy as well. In fact, if I were the FAMILY of any of those that died, I'd welcome the idea of a "Holocaust Memorial" that listed the actual NAMES of those who were killed, just LIKE the Vietnam Memorial: to honor the dead. That would DEFINITELY give us an accurate number!

Why is this subject TABOO? It just doesn't make sense. We're not talking about rednecks in bars saying "Nobody died, man: it was all faked, just like the Moon landings...". That's ridiculous: just drunk talk. What these History Professors and Professional Historians want is to be allowed to deterine the ACCURATE FIGURES! Is that too much to ask? We allow -- even ENCOURAGE! -- this with regard to EVERY other historical event: why not THIS one? All they're after is the truth. Since when is the TRUTH illegal? Someone above said "Well, it just stirs things up: they've been thorugh enough." But this does not stop research into slavery (since African Americans and slavery were cited.). In fact, new information is often disclosed about which specific plantaion owners owned whihc specific slaves, and whose decendents they are. Just look at the whole "Thomas Jefferson" issue! The "salvery" issue was of MUCH longer standing that WWII! And yet, THAT subject is not taboo! Why? Because African Americans don't own the media, for one...and because, since slavery was REAL, the African Americans have noting to lose by its investigation: quite the opposite, in fact. If THEY are not afraid of the truth, and they don;t complain about it hurting THEIR feelings, then why should the Jews be allowed to declare the "Holocaust" off limits? Why is the truth forbidden in their specific case? There is a glaring incongruity here: one that needs to be cleared up.

In light of the Red Cross's recent news release, I thing it would be prudent for a team of non-biased EXPERT HISTORIANS to research this issue: to get the TRUTH out once and for all. What would be wrong with that? IF the Jews' claims are true and accurate (even the 3 million figure), then this woould benefit them. Once and for all, the "Holocaust Deniers" would be silenced: the issue would be put to bed. If the "Deniers" are willing to risk being proved wrong -- to be forever silenced by the unequivocal TRUTH -- then why should the Jews be afraid of the truth? Unless they know something they are not telling...
 

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Zan: "The diary of a 14-year-old Jewish girl dubbed the "Polish Anne Frank" was unveiled on Monday, chronicling the horrors she witnessed in a Jewish ghetto — at one point watching a Nazi soldier tear a Jewish baby away from his mother and kill him with his bare hands."

Wow: I'm surprised you even brought this up, since that "Diary" has been long since discredited. Don't you remember when it was revealed -- publicly, on the NEWS -- that the "Anne Frank Diary" had been written in BALL POINT PEN!!!!??? Ball Point Pens had not even been INVENTED during WWII!!! This proved absolutely that the "diary" was a complete fiction.
 

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Tewila: "If 100's and 1000's of people(historians, teachers, doctors, VICTIMS, german soldiers, allied soldiers) say IT HAPPENED and have proof (documents by the nazi's, journals written by those kept hidden), why would I believe some shmuck on the internet who has provided no links, no real names and says they're all wrong?"

Look again at YOUR source material! What they have "admitted" is that the CAMPS EXISTED. Yes...nobody has denied that. As I stated -- and as the Historical Record proves -- Hitler acted in 100% accordance with Internation Law in this action. But you do NOT see/hear ANYONE (other than Jews) admitting to "Gas Chambers"...because it NEVER HAPPENED!!!

As for "links": boy, just go to Google, and do a search for "Did the holocaust really happen?". You will find SO many links, it will spin your head! As I said previously, IGNORE any that do NOT come from PhD Profesors of History, and this will cut out the "nut cases": Neo-Nazis, racists, and drunk rednecks. What you will be left with are HISTORICAL TREATISES that logically discuss exactly what DID happen!

Unfortunately, all that you have ever been exposed to is what the Jewish-owned media has ALLOWED you to see! There are many credible, well-researched, NON-RACIST books available on the subject: but they are NOT on ANY High School or University "recommended reading list". In fact, they have been BANNED in many areas.

So...how can you posibly know the whole story when all you have ever read is ONE SIDE: the side that the Jews have ALLOWED you to see?

I don't know about you, but I get upset when someone tries to keep me from seeing one side of an issue. As I said previously, I am not a racist, neo-nazi, etc.: I am a scientist: a retired physicist. I had never had any interest in this issue whatsoever. I am not jewish. I am not German. I have absolutely no personal stake in this issue at ALL. What caught my attention was a news story about that group of historians that met in 2006, trying to obtain the RIGHT to look into this issue. I thought to myself: "Why, that's silly: why should they have to ask for the "right" to look into history? Is it something the government has classified, like the "Manhattan Project" or something?" Imagine my surprise when I found out what it WAS about! I was astounded! I suppose that seems strange to someone who is so familiar with this issue: but coming at it from a disinterested perspective -- an objective perspective -- I was floored that this period of history was forbidden to research. I agreed with the historians who met last year: they SHOULD be allowed to research the subject. There's simply no logical reason NOT to. And if everything happened as the Jewish-owned media has stated: they would stand to GAIN by this verififcation! They would get to say "I Told You So!", and the "guilt" they love to heap upon the rest of the world would be refreshed.

And by the way, on this particular issue: someone above mentioned that it would "Hurt their feelings" to have this old wound opened. WRONG! They, themselves, do everything in their power to keep this issue fresh in the press!!! It happened over 60 years ago, and from the way they keep it continually in the news, you'd think it happened LAST WEEK!!! There is no "old wound", because THEY keep it fresh!

So if a group of non-biased historians were to verify the veracity of the Jews' long-standing claims, it would actually SERVE THEIR INTERESTS!!! So why would they try to PREVENT such verfication? Perhaps because they KNOW that the facts will NOT verify their claims! That is the only logical conclusion one can draw based upon their actions; their attempts to prevent the research from being conducted.

I think the research needs to be done, to settle this issue once and for all.
 

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DaSleeper: "This guy was just too obvious; and ruffled everybody's feathers right of the bat....I don't think he convinced anyone."

You can't convince people who refuse to look at both sides of an issue. Galileo couldn't convince other astronomers of the truth of his claims, because they REFUSED TO LOOK THROUGH HIS TELESCOPE!!! I'm not kidding: this is in the history books! They actually REFUSED, even though doing so would have given them the PROOF of Galileo's claims, right before their very eyes! They stood there, and refused to look through the device. Then the Catholic Church arrested Galileo for heresy. Amazing.

For someone to ask you to believe them without offering truth: now THAT is charlatanism. Asking someone to dispassionately consider BOTH sides of an issue is the SCIENTIFIC METHOD!!!

Remember, the poor souls who lost their TENURED POSITIONS were non-racist HISTORIANS: people who just wanted to get at the TRUTH of a long-standing issue. Just for ASKING QUESTIONS, they were FIRED! That conference of historians that happned in 2006 was NOT a group of "racists", or "Holocaust Deniers". Yes, a few of those may have attended: but that was not the main thrust of the group. The majority of them were simply PROFESIIONAL HISTORIANS who were asking to be allowed to research the TRUTH! They didn't care if the results proved the "6 Million Died" claim, or proved something else: they just wanted to be allowed to LOOK!

But just as the other astronomers refused to look through Galileo's telescope, the Jews have stated to these historians; "Thou shalt NOT look!". Amazing.

Why are they so afraid of PROFESSIONAL HISTORIANS just LOOKING? What do the Jews have to hide?
 

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Zan: "The diary of a 14-year-old Jewish girl dubbed the "Polish Anne Frank" was unveiled on Monday, chronicling the horrors she witnessed in a Jewish ghetto — at one point watching a Nazi soldier tear a Jewish baby away from his mother and kill him with his bare hands."

Wow: I'm surprised you even brought this up, since that "Diary" has been long since discredited. Don't you remember when it was revealed -- publicly, on the NEWS -- that the "Anne Frank Diary" had been written in BALL POINT PEN!!!!??? Ball Point Pens had not even been INVENTED during WWII!!! This proved absolutely that the "diary" was a complete fiction.
How people like you love to twist fact, writing in ball point pen was only found on two scraps of paper loose on the diary and the courts in an action against the holocaust denier David Irving found that the diary was genuine, but of course you will say that the judge was probably Jewish.....

Of course you are not antisemitic........

I started to say a while back ....If it looks like a Duck, walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck............................
 

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Zan: "The diary of a 14-year-old Jewish girl dubbed the "Polish Anne Frank" was unveiled on Monday, chronicling the horrors she witnessed in a Jewish ghetto — at one point watching a Nazi soldier tear a Jewish baby away from his mother and kill him with his bare hands."

Wow: I'm surprised you even brought this up, since that "Diary" has been long since discredited. Don't you remember when it was revealed -- publicly, on the NEWS -- that the "Anne Frank Diary" had been written in BALL POINT PEN!!!!??? Ball Point Pens had not even been INVENTED during WWII!!! This proved absolutely that the "diary" was a complete fiction.

Seriously? Are you talking about the Diary of Anne Frank, or the story in the link I posted? Two different diaries. If you've got credible info regarding the veracity of either diaries, I'd really appreciate seeing it... also, no need to yell at me, I'm listening, and I'm not deaf... yet.
 

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more fabrication?

Mass Grave For Thousands Of Holocaust Victims Uncovered In Ukraine

Tuesday June 5, 2007
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It's was one of the darkest periods in human history, and a recent discovery in southern Ukraine offers a chilling reminder.
A mass grave that holds the remains of thousands of Jews killed by Nazis during the Holocaust was uncovered near the site of what was once a concentration camp, all found by chance last month when workers were preparing to lay gas lines in the area. Nazi forces established two ghettos near the village during World War II and brought Jews there from what's now Moldova as well as from the Ukraine. It all culminated in November of 1941, when a concentration camp was built to kill roughly 5,000 Jews. Most of those victims' bodies are contained in the mass grave.

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Doc Dred: "all this stuff surfaced in the latter part of last century by people with an agenda towards Jews."

Not true at all. If you would look at the available material, you would see that there were many trying to make the truth known right from the beginning: but as MikeyDB stated above, since the Jews control the mass media, there was no way to get the truth out. Go online and research the names of those who own ALL of the major media outlets: TV stations, magazines, publishing companies, radio stations, etc.: you will see a disturbing trend.

It has only been with the introduction of the Internet that people who previously could NOT be heard due to the Jewish stranglehold on the media could finally get their message out.

Odd...this type of behavior is exactly what caused the Jews to become targets in Germany in the '20s and '30s, with Hitler finally being the one to implement offical policies toward them...


dude i ask you again, why during the neurenburg trials did anyone who knew they were going to hang ,stand up and say it did not happen....they only tried to defer the crime to taking orders.....

When you say the Jews control the media i'm gonna puke....you are making assumptions to cast blame where it doesn't even exist.

Yer filled with lies and racist inuendo and false history.....please tell me your not typing this from inside Canada.

Each post is just trolling...you sound like some kid with nada an idea....unfukcing real

And the reason Hitler used the jews was for a rally point to the masses who were out of work and starving....
 
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"more fabrication?

Mass Grave For Thousands Of Holocaust Victims Uncovered In Ukraine

Tuesday June 5, 2007
CityNews.ca Staff
It's was one of the darkest periods in human history, and a recent discovery in southern Ukraine offers a chilling reminder.
A mass grave that holds the remains of thousands of Jews killed by Nazis during the Holocaust was uncovered near the site of what was once a concentration camp, all found by chance last month when workers were preparing to lay gas lines in the area. Nazi forces established two ghettos near the village during World War II and brought Jews there from what's now Moldova as well as from the Ukraine. It all culminated in November of 1941, when a concentration camp was built to kill roughly 5,000 Jews. Most of those victims' bodies are contained in the mass grave."

5,000...Hmmmm....a FAR cry from 6 Million, ay?

Also, most of the people who died in the camps died as a result of diseases. Remember, that was back before vaccines!
 

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DaSleeper: "A reasonable man can be convinced.....but an extremist or a Fanatic......forget it"

EXACTLY! : - ) That is PRECISELY what I have been saying!!! I am open to be convinced! Just let the non-biased, expert historians do their job! The job they WANT to do! I'm not saying listen to the "Holocaust Deniers". I'm not saying listen to the racists, or the drunk rednecks at bars! Not at ALL! What I ***AM*** saying, is that here -- in me -- is a reasonable man -- a man of science -- who would LOVE to be convinced! If the non-biased (meaning neither Jewish nor neo-Nazi! They must be neutral, scientifically minded historians who only wnat the TRUTH! Nobody with an agenda!) expert historians were to conclude -- based upon the evidence -- that everything happend exactly the way the Jews state, and came up with a number even CLOSE to what the Jews claim: then so be it: their claim has been proven, and there would be no room for argument. At that point, no reasonable individual could possible argue against the Holocasut: it would have been proven once and for all. From that point forward, anyoen who spoke out against the reality of the holocaust would be nothing more than a raving lunatic.

My problem is, no-biased, professional historians have ASKED to be allowed to do this research, and they have been told NO! They have been fired from their jobs, not for denyiny the Holocaust ever happened, but just for questioning the exact NUMBERS claimed! Doesn't that seem a bit odd?

DaSleeper puts it exactly correct: A reasonable man CAN be convinced! But only if the experts are allowed to investigate the facts! How can anyone be convinced when the experts in the field of GHistory are not allowed to do their job? Convincing without OBJECTIVE FACTS is simply not possible...