Occupy Wall Street Fail

PoliticalNick

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Cliff, what they are doing hasn't worked so far. If you try something two or three times and it's not working it isn't going to work, unless the procedure changes. The change in procedure I would suggest they try is to quit patronizing the fat cats, which could include quit buying booze and cigarettes, quit carrying credit card debt, quit buying the consumer items they produce. The best thing they could do is find an honest fat cat to be their spokesman, if you want to influence a group, find one member of the group to start with.

Oh its working, even without the support of apathetic people like yourself who don't seem to get the need for change. The government and the banksters are sh*t scared right now that this movement will keep growing to a point where they have to change their corrupt ways. Its working so well the corrupt have to send in armed men in riot gear with pepper spray and batons to put down the uprising and stop the message from getting stronger and gaining more support.

I mean really JLM, those grandkids you seem to love so much, don't you want to leave them a better world? Are you comfortable letting them inherit hundreds of thousands of dollars each in public debt? Are you happy that their lives will be controlled by corporations and banks who buy politicians? Are you ok with them being sheeple and not really having the freedom we are supposed to have?
 

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Too many non-union managers, not union members, drive up Alberta government costs

Did you know that last year there was one manager for every 5.4 people employed directly by the Alberta government?

Think about that ratio the next time you're tempted to blame unions for the cost of providing public services in this province, as we have been conditioned to do by 40 years of neo-conservative brainwashing that assails unions and lauds the dubious benefits of "free markets."

Throughout the private and public sectors in other North American jurisdictions a more normal ratio would be about one manager for every 10 employees. When Bill Clinton was president of the United States, he made an effort to increase the manager-to-staff ratio in the U.S. public service to one to 14. Oft-quoted management guru Tom Peters suggests that an ideal ratio is about one to 25.

But here in Alberta, in addition to that group of approximately 19,500 unionized civil servants directly employed by Alberta's provincial government in 2010, there were 4,437 direct government employees officially designated non-union "managers" in the middle of that year. The resulting management-to-employee ratio was thus about one manager for every 5.4 civil servants!

The impacts on any enterprise of having too many managers and too many layers of management are well known. A number of the symptoms found in a variety of sources on management practice include:

- Higher costs
- Lower productivity
- Slower decision making
- Muddled communications
- More paperwork
- More meetings
- Bad staff morale
- Lower employee satisfaction

The opposite side of the equation is worth considering too. The late Peter Drucker, another well-known dispenser of management advice, argued that having more staff per manager leads to improved organizational performance -- and results in better management too.

The impacts on the costs of government in Alberta are particularly severe, since non-union managers are not only paid more, they receive more generous benefits, more generous pensions and more generous perks.

Moreover, as alert readers will recall, back in 2009 the matter of $44 million in "achievement bonuses" -- read "free money" -- for civil service managers in Alberta became a political problem for the government of then-premier Ed Stelmach. It was revealed that between 2006 and 2009, nearly $160 million of taxpayers' contributions were paid to civil service managers -- who were already much better compensated than their union counterparts.

Indeed, even those sums did not reflect the true cost of the achievement bonus program, since it extended back to the late 1990s under Premier Ralph Klein, who pushed the idea that the civil service should be run in a similar manner to the private sector. This was to be done, I guess, to get the same lousy results. Because your average rank-and-file Alberta public employee is well educated and motivated, she doesn't really require a lot of supervision to do a good job.

After the brouhaha in 2009, the bonuses were suspended for a time. It seems likely they will return, if they haven't already, driving costs up even more.

Arguably, the ratio is actually somewhat worse than these numbers alone suggest because there were another 2,337 government of Alberta employees in mid-2010 who were excluded from union membership -- some for legitimate reasons, and some for reasons that are not so legitimate.

These included close to 600 IT staffers, whose exclusion from union membership makes no logical sense, and 275 members of the personal staffs of senior managers, whose exclusion can be more readily understood. Other categories of employees excluded from union membership include people working in personnel policies and programs, employees of the Legislative Assembly, personal staff of cabinet ministers, labour relations officers, staff of the Lieutenant Governor and the like.

Include these people, and you get a ratio of one non-union employee for every 3.9 members of the provincial public employees' union.

Of course, some of those 4,437 managers may manage non-union employees, and the number of unionized employees fluctuates seasonally and over time -- though not that much. Without being privy to the government's latest private information, we can't really know with perfect accuracy, but it's safe to say that such variables would not make much difference in the final ratios.

We need to remember numbers like these when we hear the likes of Catherine Swift, president of the so-called Canadian Federation of Independent Business (which, as has been noted in this space before, consistently works against the healthy and flourishing middle-class communities that make independent businesses prosper), saying, "what would be ideal is getting rid of public-sector unions entirely."

After all, right-wing bloviators, "think tanks," media and politicians have all become sophisticated at getting middle-class citizens to blame public employees and their unions for the level of taxes required to pay for the cost of government.

To a significant degree, this is a conjuring trick, in which the illusionists (all the usual suspects noted above) direct the attention of their audience to the modest salaries and benefits of unionized public workers so that they aren't looking at the elephant on the stage -- the vastly more expensive tax dodges, giveaways and subsidies available to the wealthy, not to mention the incredibly low royalties charged for resources that belong to us all.

Still, there's some truth to the popular notion that we could help preserve our quality public services at lower cost through better allocation of resources -- especially since we know the number of unionized Alberta government employees has barely changed since Klein's destructive privatization spree in the mid-1990s.

A good place to start finding ways to use our resources better might be by looking at the excessive numbers and layers of unproductive and expensive non-union managers in the public service.

Instead, Premier Alison Redford's emphasis has been once again to talk about looking for services that can be privatized -- a guarantee both of higher costs in the long run and deteriorating, profit-driven, unaccountable public services in the shorter term.

She would do better to focus her famously steely resolve on culling the glut of overpriced managers from the civil service.

Too many non-union managers, not union members, drive up Alberta government costs | rabble.ca
 

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We are to blame for the last mass die off 13,000 years ago? Carbon and miners killed the sabre tooth tiger?
This is not 13000 years ago, the dynamics are different. Humans have directly and indirectly contributed to the extinction of thousands of species. Talking about saber tooth tigers is a straw man. I'm talking about species that have disappeared in the last 200 years or so since the industrial revolution. Did those massive islands of garbage floating in the ocean exist 13000 years ago? Did they exist 200 years ago? No. Does carbon have anything to do with climate change? I don't know. I do know that you don't pump millions of tons of toxic waste into the atmosphere and oceans every year and expect there to be no consequences. You don't strip the planet of forests and expect there to be no consequences. The occupants of the planet are screwed, but by the actions and stupidity of humans, of that there is no doubt.

My point was in the last post, that the Earth is a living organism. We have contaminated her with our garbage and raped her resources for too long and she is pissed.
 

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Every "global disaster" has lead to an overwhelming expansion of life. Give it time.
Truely, I dont care if humanity survives it's own stupidity. The Earth is a living being. The biosphere is the source of life. Life will always go on, with or without us. Our fate may just be to be the next dinosaurs. It really doesn't matter.
 

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I know not everyone bothers clicking on links and reading, but I quite enjoyed this one from Alec Baldwin, on what OWS has taught him....

Alec Baldwin: What Occupy Wall Street Has Taught Me

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:lol:


That is hilarious.


This, however, not so much..



Occupy movement inspires rise in U.S. campus activism

(Reuters) - Violent confrontations between police and protesters at two University of California campuses have drawn a new cadre of students into the Occupy Wall Street movement and unleashed what some historians call the biggest surge in campus activism since the 1960s.

While Occupy Wall Street protesters have a broad set of grievances that include income inequality and perceived corporate greed, many students have more specific concerns: soaring tuition, campus budget cuts, and fear of heavy student loan debt and lack of job opportunities upon graduation.

Student protests related to these issues have broken out sporadically on U.S. college campuses over the past few years, but the Occupy protests - and the police response to them - have swelled the ranks of campus activists in recent weeks.

A crowd of about 2,000 students, professors and parents held a rally at UC Davis on Monday and called for university Chancellor Linda Katehi to resign after police last week pepper-sprayed students sitting passively on the campus quad.

Video of an officer spraying an orange-coloured pepper spray directly into the faces of cross-legged students circulated heavily on television and the Internet, prompting outrage as well as a wave of cartoon parodies.

"We didn't really know what it was until we actually were here on the quad (quadrangle) seeing fellow students getting maced," said John Caccamo, an 18-year-old biology student at UC Davis. The campus, near Sacramento, is not known as a hotbed of activism.

"This is the first time in the 11 years I've been here that students have said - 'Wait a minute, I need to wake up to where I am and what's going on,'" UC Davis art professor Robin Hill told Reuters at the Davis rally.

At UC Berkeley, a cradle of 1960s student activism, students and faculty members were hit with nightsticks earlier this month when campus police moved to break up an Occupy encampment.

The president of the 10-campus UC system, Mark G. Yudof, said he was "appalled" by the Berkeley and Davis incidents and has hired William J. Bratton, former police chief of New York and later Los Angeles, to lead an investigation.

TUITION HIKES

The uptick in student activism has coincided with the efforts by authorities in many cities to shut down Occupy encampments. College campuses are increasingly a focal point of the movement in California and elsewhere. In New York, protesters at Baruch College who were demonstrating against tuition increases scuffled with police earlier this week, leading to a dozen arrests.

At UC Davis, an encampment of some 100 tents has sprung up since Monday's rally. Encampments are also in place at UC Berkeley and other California campuses. New York University historian Robert Cohen said the Occupy movement on California campuses is accelerating quickly compared with the student movement of the 1960s.

"If you date things from the Port Huron Statement and the summer of '62, it wasn't really until the fall of '64 that there was a mass student movement on campus," he said. The Port Huron Statement was the manifesto of the Students for a Democratic Society, one of the key groups of the 1960s New Left movement in the United States.

The 1960s and early 1970s were a time of great social unrest as college students rallied against the Vietnam war and in support of minority and women's rights.

Angus Johnston, a historian at City University of New York, said, "What we have had up until now is something very similar to the early 1960s, where you had not a huge number of activists but a committed core who were working really hard but weren't getting huge amount of traction from media or fellow students."

California students have regularly protested tuition hikes since the economy slumped three years ago. Tuition for in-state students in the ten campuses of the University of California reached $12,192 (7,862 pounds) this year, up from $2,274 two decades ago.

At the 23 campuses of the California State University system, which is increasingly plagued by overcrowding, tuition this year is $5,472, up from $1,572 as recently as 2002-2003.

In part because of the tuition hikes, a growing number of students now face large student loan debts, with two-thirds of 2010 graduating seniors nationally in debt an average of $25,250, according to the Institute for College Access and Success. That is up 5 percent from the year before.

Some earlier California demonstrations over tuition resulted in serious scuffles with police that included use of pepper spray and Tasers. One woman had reconstructive surgery after a UC Berkeley police officer hit her with a nightstick.

But those incidents received far less attention than those recently associated with the Occupy movement. "When a cop pepper-sprays a student, everyone can sort of imagine their children, or their nieces or nephews, their friends who are students," said Kyle Arnone, a 26-year old teaching assistant at the University of California's Los Angeles campus.

"It's harder for the public to stigmatize student protesters as being a bunch of hippie, unemployed people that are difficult to relate to."

Occupy movement inspires rise in U.S. campus activism | Reuters
 

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What is wrong with just getting a job? There are jobs out there, you may have to move to another town, even a neighboring country, or even change what you would like to do, so what your family will still be fed. Pretty sure that the majority of corporate executives today worked their way into those positions. (point is they worked)
 

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What is wrong with just getting a job? There are jobs out there, you may have to move to another town, even a neighboring country, or even change what you would like to do, so what your family will still be fed. Pretty sure that the majority of corporate executives today worked their way into those positions. (point is they worked)


Yep, get up early in the morning and set out at 6 AM with a shovel, broom, bucket and sponge etc. and start knocking on doors. When one person is happy with what you do, likely 6 others will hear about it, every person you meet has the potential of a connection to someone. One person I wouldn't hire is a whiner! Spit the silver spoon out of your mouth.

 

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Occupy a Bribe

City officials have offered Occupy L.A. protesters 10,000 square feet of indoor space and other incentives to vacate the City Hall lawn they have camped on for over seven weeks, a lawyer for the group said on Tuesday.

The proposal emerged from two days of talks between city officials and 12 Occupy L.A. representatives, including Jim Lafferty, an advocate for the protesters who is executive director of the National Lawyers Guild's Los Angeles chapter, he said.

A 50-member "city liaison group" began debating the plan on Tuesday evening, and many expressed deep suspicions about the city's proposal.

"It's called co-option -- you become part of the system when you make a deal with them," said Mike Saulenas, 60, a member of the group.


more lulz:


Occupy L.A. says city is offering incentives to move - International Business Times
 

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Occupy Organizers in Indianapolis Recruit the Homeless to Keep Protests Going



With the number of protesters dwindling and winter fast approaching, the organizers of the ‘Occupy’ movement in Indianapolis have turned to the homeless for help, recruiting them to help maintain the ‘Occupy’ presence in the city.

In an audio recording of a web seminar conducted November 9 between Occupy Indianapolis organizers and the demonstrators, one unidentified organizer can be heard saying, “I feel bad, man. I personally feel bad that we have you guys out here. And there’s … there seems to be really no purpose of it, other than … other than to show that Indianapolis has a physical occupation. You know, cause you are pretty much our billboard for Occupy Indianapolis.”




Occupy Organizers in Indianapolis Recruit the Homeless to Keep Protests Going | Fox News Insider
 

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Foreclosure lawyers who dressed as homeless people are now jobless people | Nerve.com

Foreclosure lawyers who dressed as homeless people are now jobless people

Remember that firm of remorseless foreclosure lawyers who dressed up as homeless evictees for Halloween? Sure you do! Well, some good news, just in time for Thanksgiving: they're all out of a job.

In the wake of the New York Times story revealing photos of the outlandishly insensitive Halloween party at the Steve J. Baum law firm, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac cut off the "foreclosure mill" firm, which now has to close down. The head of the company even sent whistle-blowing Times columnist Joe Nocera an angry email saying, "There is blood on your hands for this one, Joe... I will never, ever forgive you for this." Maybe Baum hasn't learned this quite yet, but those kinds of threats are a lot more intimidating when you own a solvent law firm. Which he doesn't anymore.

However, the loss of business seems to be more about the firm's sketchy and controversial business practices than its recent terrible PR, as Baum has long been under suspicion for misleading practices that detractors say led to numerous unfair foreclosures. Just last month, Baum was fined $2 million for practices that misled homeowners and hastened foreclosures.

Now, does this mean that the our broken financial system is magically fixed in favor of homeowners and sane business practices? No. Is it nice to make fun of anyone, however terrible, for losing their job right before the holidays? Most likely not. But I think we can all take a minute to feel warm and fuzzy that a business that took joy in mocking the people whose lives it destroyed was itself, you know... destroyed.

 

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Occupy Mr. Roboto


Robots are better than people as protesters in almost every sense of the word. They don’t get tired. They don’t get too cold. They don’t have to eat. Pepper spray most likely will not debilitate them. And they can be programmed to say whatever you want.​
Check out this OCCU(PI) Bot to see what future protesters could look like:









more...


‘OCCU(PI)’ Bot Created as the Ultimate Protester | Video | TheBlaze.com
 

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'Occupy' instigator laments lack of spirit in Canada


TORONTO — Protesters hail it as a life-changing experience while pundits acknowledge it as a driving force in the national conversation, but the man who helped launch the Canadian incarnation of the "Occupy" movement says his adopted home country didn't execute his vision the way he hoped. Kalle Lasn, co-founder of the Vancouver-based magazine that touched off the international campaign, said the protest against fiscal imbalance and corporate influence suffered from media misrepresentation and a comparative lack of energy during its first month on Canadian soil.



Laments eh. :lol:

Ok.


 

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Why Bankers Should Be Grateful for Occupy Wall Street

This Thanksgiving weekend, Wall Street should say a prayer of gratitude for Occupy Wall Street.

While some bankers and brokers have sympathized with or supported this ragtag protest movement, others grouse that they are being demonized.

But compared with financiers of the past, who faced nasty rhetoric, political hostility and physical danger, today's bankers and brokers seem like a bunch of babies when they whine about being targeted by these dissidents.

The "Occupy" rhetoric might sound overheated, but it is golden praise alongside what bankers used to hear.

In 1870, the essayist Henry Adams compared the financier Jay Gould to a spider; Joseph Pulitzer, the famous editor, later called Gould "one of the most sinister figures that have ever flitted bat-like across the vision of the American people."

In 1883, a young New York state legislator named Theodore Roosevelt lambasted "the wealthy criminal class" on Wall Street. In 1910, Sen. Robert LaFollette of Wisconsin called J.P. Morgan "a beefy, red-faced, thick-necked financial bully, drunk with wealth and power."

Between 1892 and 1911, at least 53 bills were introduced in Congress to stifle speculation and derivatives trading, although none quite became law. No fewer than 21 states—including California, Illinois, Massachusetts, Ohio and Texas—passed laws restricting speculation, short selling or trading in futures or options.

The Occupy Wall Street protesters have also been far more peaceful than their forebears.

On the original "Black Friday"—not the shopping day after Thanksgiving, but Sept. 24, 1869, when Jay Gould cornered and crashed the gold market—fury was in the air. "An angry mob gathered…howling for vengeance," wrote historian Maury Klein in his biography "The Life and Legend of Jay Gould," and "a company of militia was hurriedly ordered into readiness." Gould slunk out a backdoor to safety, guarded by a gang of armed thugs.

In 1877, a speculator who had lost money betting against Gould ambushed him on the sidewalk, slugging the financier and then flinging him down an eight-foot flight of stairs into the basement of a barber shop. Gould was battered but unbowed, although he never again walked the streets without a bodyguard.

In 1891, an assassin tried to kill the investment banker Russell Sage by detonating 10 pounds of dynamite. The bomber and Sage's secretary were killed; Sage survived, perhaps by using a messenger as a human shield. In 1892, an anarchist shot Henry Clay Frick point-blank in the neck; the mogul survived. J.P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller, among other financial barons, faced frequent death threats.

In September 1920, a bomb went off in a horse-drawn wagon parked in front of J.P. Morgan & Co. on Wall Street, killing 40 people; the criminal was never found.

Wall Street rarely concedes that regulation has made the markets safer not only for investors but for Wall Street itself. Because the public believes that modern regulation enforces standards of fairness that were lacking in the past, bankers and brokers don't have to fear for their lives when they walk down the sidewalk.

Wall Street hasn't yet had to answer to a higher authority, either. In 1940, the investing writer Fred Schwed recalled the eve of the Crash of 1929:

"There was a luxurious club car which ran each week-day morning into the Pennsylvania Station. When the train stopped, the assorted millionaires who had been playing bridge, reading the paper, and comparing their fortunes, filed out of the front end of the car.…Those who needed a nickel in change for the subway ride downtown took one [from a bowl near the door]. They were not expected to put anything back in exchange; this was not money.…It was only five cents [roughly 65 cents in 2011 dollars].

"There have been many explanations of the sudden debacle of October, 1929. The explanation I prefer is that the eye of Jehovah, a wrathful god, happened to chance in October on that bowl. In sudden understandable annoyance, Jehovah kicked over the financial structure of the United States, and...the bowl of free nickels disappeared forever."

Mr. Schwed, who died in 1966, might be shocked to realize that the bowl didn't disappear forever after all. Government bailouts in the latest financial crisis distributed billions of free nickels to failing banks—staving off collapse and enabling the banks to speculate anew with cheap money.

Perhaps, as was true after the Crash of 1929, we will only know that this long bear market is over when, at long last, it consumes the people who perpetrated it. Above all, Wall Street should be grateful that Jehovah hasn't kicked over this bowl of nickels, too—at least, not yet.

The Intelligent Investor: Why Bankers Should Be Grateful for Occupy Wall Street - WSJ.com
 

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Foreclosure lawyers who dressed as homeless people are now jobless people | Nerve.com

Foreclosure lawyers who dressed as homeless people are now jobless people

Remember that firm of remorseless foreclosure lawyers who dressed up as homeless evictees for Halloween? Sure you do! Well, some good news, just in time for Thanksgiving: they're all out of a job.

In the wake of the New York Times story revealing photos of the outlandishly insensitive Halloween party at the Steve J. Baum law firm, both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac cut off the "foreclosure mill" firm, which now has to close down. The head of the company even sent whistle-blowing Times columnist Joe Nocera an angry email saying, "There is blood on your hands for this one, Joe... I will never, ever forgive you for this." Maybe Baum hasn't learned this quite yet, but those kinds of threats are a lot more intimidating when you own a solvent law firm. Which he doesn't anymore.

However, the loss of business seems to be more about the firm's sketchy and controversial business practices than its recent terrible PR, as Baum has long been under suspicion for misleading practices that detractors say led to numerous unfair foreclosures. Just last month, Baum was fined $2 million for practices that misled homeowners and hastened foreclosures.

Now, does this mean that the our broken financial system is magically fixed in favor of homeowners and sane business practices? No. Is it nice to make fun of anyone, however terrible, for losing their job right before the holidays? Most likely not. But I think we can all take a minute to feel warm and fuzzy that a business that took joy in mocking the people whose lives it destroyed was itself, you know... destroyed.


Ahhhh.....A little poetic justice. I hope they kept their costumes for when some other slimeball firm getting rich of this crisis forecloses on their houses and they really are homeless and destitute. :lol:
 

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Occupy L.A.: Mayor, LAPD won't discuss tactics for removal



L.A. officials have not revealed details -- or tactics -- of their plan to push out the Occupy campers on the City Hall lawn beginning Monday morning.
At a press conference Friday, neither Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa nor Police Chief Charlie Beck would say whether police were prepared to use tear gas or rubber bullets to clear protesters who refuse to leave, tactics officers in other cities have turned to while clearing Occupy encampments.
It's also unclear when exactly police would evict the protesters.
"The goal is to do this as peacefully as possible," Beck said.
Meanwhile, Good Jobs LA, a coalition of labor unions and community groups that has organized marches with Occupy L.A., called on the mayor and City Council to allow the camp to remain where it is.

"Elected leaders should be more concerned about enforcing regulations on banks than enforcing park rules," spokesman Jacob Hay said. "They should be busy creating jobs, not creating conflict with peaceful protesters." On Thursday, Occupy L.A. released its first official statement to the city, vowing to stay camped out on the lawn.

According to protester Ruth Fowler, the statement was written collaboratively by several hundred protesters and was approved with 100% consensus during Wednesday's general assembly meeting. In it, protesters said they would cease further negotiations with officials until 10 grievances were addressed.


Occupy L.A.: Mayor, LAPD won't discuss tactics for removal - latimes.com












Terrorist Bill Ayers to Teach on Radical Theory at #Occupy Harrisburg Meeting


All that is old is new again.
by Jim Hoft
11/25/2011





On October 20th, 2011 the Obama-endorsed Occupy Chicago activists invited unrepentant domestic terrorist turned University of Illinois professor, Bill Ayers, to lead a "teach-in" on the virtues of confrontational tactics. The teaching session was dubbed "non-violent disobedience" in the anti-capitalist revolution.
Bill Ayers told the young leftists about how he met with the North Vietnamese to discuss fomenting revolution in America. The meeting was held on the street in downtown Chicago. The young activists lapped it up.
The video was released tonight by the EAG Foundation:


video and more on this upstanding citizen:

Terrorist Bill Ayers to Teach on Radical Theory at #Occupy Harrisburg Meeting - HUMAN EVENTS

Bill Ayers: Unrepentant LYING Terrorist - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online