You aren't going to get an argument from me on this one. But this is who Obama wants to reach out to.
Obama’s Speech in Egypt: A Seminal moment?
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You aren't going to get an argument from me on this one. But this is who Obama wants to reach out to.
Goodday Socrates, I am hopeing your garden grows.
Obama is a direct result and product of Americas past, he has taken the mantle occupied the offal office picked up the torch stepped up to the goddamn plate. Who in hell else represents Americas past present and future?
Look I am not going to play around with words, if you are suggesting that past bad Government policy should be put on the backs of people who were not present at the time these bad policies were put to practice, I think you are being unfair.
Obama did not tell Bush look I think in Iraq there is weapons of mass destruction, It was looser Bush who gave orders, how can you blame Obama on that? or the American people the average person on the street?.
I hold Obama responsible for the present and the future, not yesterday, Obama had nothing to do the with American foreign policy making before he became President.
Obama's grovelling to the Middle East will yield as much goodwill as his grovelling to Europe in general and FRance in particular yielded.
Absolutely zilch. Nada. Nothing. Zero.
You wish, Yukon, You wish. The far right has wanted Obama to fail from day 1. You remember Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh braying at the top of his voice ‘I hope he (Obama) fails.’
It remains to be seen how the speech is received by the Muslim world.
But the sycophants and the acolytes will glow with delight. Their Messiah delivered the words, totally meaningless, though, they may be. Just like his election promises.
Yes, about the election. You already have predicted that he is going to lose in 2012. We will see how accurate that prediction turns out to be.
Absolutely zilch. Nada. Nothing. Zero.
You wish, Yukon, You wish. The far right has wanted Obama to fail from day 1. You remember Rush ‘drug addict’ Limbaugh braying at the top of his voice ‘I hope he (Obama) fails.’
It remains to be seen how the speech is received by the Muslim world.
But the sycophants and the acolytes will glow with delight. Their Messiah delivered the words, totally meaningless, though, they may be. Just like his election promises.
Yes, about the election. You already have predicted that he is going to lose in 2012. We will see how accurate that prediction turns out to be.
Quoting Socrates the Greek
Good day D B, None of Americas past should be blamed on Obama, as much as you don't like Obama and that is your right, I despise equally some of this archaic losers in the Middle East whose concept of life is totally back words. Cave mentality is toxic.
Who should it be blamed on? Is he not American? - EagleSmack
So EagleSmack, you want to blame the American past on Obama? How far back would you go? Would you blame the current economic meltdown on Obama? Katrina disaster (and the fiasco after it)? The dot com meltdown?
The Bay of Pigs, Tonkin Gulf incidents? MLK assassination? Just how far back would you go in blaming the American past on Obama?
Good day D B, None of Americas past should be blamed on Obama, as much as you don't like Obama and that is your right, I despise equally some of this archaic losers in the Middle East whose concept of life is totally back words. Cave mentality is toxic.
Who should it be blamed on? Is he not American? - EagleSmack
So EagleSmack, you want to blame the American past on Obama? How far back would you go? Would you blame the current economic meltdown on Obama? Katrina disaster (and the fiasco after it)? The dot com meltdown?
The Bay of Pigs, Tonkin Gulf incidents? MLK assassination? Just how far back would you go in blaming the American past on Obama?
The first time I saw Obama, it was his amazing speech, during the
convention when Kerry was running for pres.
I have listened to his speeches and followed his every move since, and I haven't
been dissapointed yet, he is class all the way.
convention when Kerry was running for pres.
I have listened to his speeches and followed his every move since, and I haven't
been dissapointed yet, he is class all the way.
The idea that the "Muslim world" hates the US is ludicrous. The average Iranian likes the US and enjoys American culture. The most popular TV show over there is Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. People have a tendency to confuse "the government" with "the people".
President Barack Obama took time to admire the Sphinx....
He was in Egypt. What else would he do?
I'm not playing with words either.
Obama was a member of the senate during those years. He was one of the ones that voted against going to Iraq.
Yet he has continued the war...again... contrary to his campaign promise.
And what about GITMO? He said he would close it down during the campaign...and it was one of his first announcements upon taking office. People CHEERED!
But GITMO is still open and he has backpeddled on a closing date! :lol:
I think that is great!!!!
That may be true (I have no idea one or the other) but when people talk about "the Muslim World" or the "Western World" they are talking primarily about governments. I agree that that equating the two can lead to misinterpretations, especially when the governments aren't elected but thats the way the world is. We don't see reactions by ordinary people most of the time, just politicians, which is probably more important because they are the ones who will likely have the most impact on our societies, half a world away.
As for Obama's speech being well received, that shouldn't be a surprise: we've all seen his charisma and eloquence. As a friend of mine from Michigan told me in the last primaries (she was a Hillary supporter) "whatever else people want to say about him, the motherf**** can sure give a good speech". In terms of its real impact, like so much else in this fledgling presidency, we'll just have to wait and see.
One thing I do like about Obama is that he gets guys like JBeee all scared and upset. :lol:
JBeee lives and breathes for people to hate America just like DB. To those two Obama winning was the worse thing that could have happened. They loved coming on here and bashing Bush and the United States but now about half of their former allies are Obama lovers and worshippers.
The world is starting to loosen up JBeee...and we still are pulling the same old s****... tee hee. :lol:
SJP
Comparing Obama’s speech to Nixon’s visit is not a reasonable comparison and you of all people should know that – Nixon was the only person that because of his politics that could pull it off and have support –
The repercussions have been felt from the trial of the gang of 4 – the changes in the economy – yes even Tianmen Square – Nixon knew that China will fall from internal rot – as has always happened in the past – every power change came from rot within the Govt.
How Obama deals with Israel on the settlements is part of but a major part of the key to a peace accord – that and Iran and their nukes – could be a trade off in the future – Israel halts settlements – US gives tacit permission to bomb Iran – If Iran keeps to a hard stance and refuses to allow the reprocessing stage out of country then be prepared for anything.
You sound as if you`re in a bit of a quandary der` Cletus...struggling to compromise with yourself since Obama`s gracing the White House?
You are right tho.
Osama Bin Laden spoke it best this week, in his timely fashion.:smile:
You are right tho.
Osama Bin Laden spoke it best this week, in his timely fashion.:smile:
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I live in America ES what ever gave you the idea I hate it. Obamas not the worse thing, he's the same thing. My allies? haha, maybe they'll lend me one of thier spare tanks.:smile: