Obama urges future Palestinian state be based on '67 borders

[CUBert]

Hamas stealing aid from who? They have an entire social welfare wing dedicated to giving aid to Gazan's.

t provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.[56] Since the 2008–2009 Israeli military operation in Gaza, Palestinian public opinion polls have shown Hamas steadily increasing in popularity with 52% support compared to 13% for Fatah. All public opinion surveys conducted recently have supported this trend.[57]


Hamas is supported by the vast majority of Gazans

Tell me why this is if Hamas is stealing from them?

 

[Colpy]

Hamas stealing aid from who? They have an entire social welfare wing dedicated to giving aid to Gazan's.

t provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.[56] Since the 2008–2009 Israeli military operation in Gaza, Palestinian public opinion polls have shown Hamas steadily increasing in popularity with 52% support compared to 13% for Fatah. All public opinion surveys conducted recently have supported this trend.[57]


Hamas is supported by the vast majority of Gazans

Then why have they been so hesitant to face the electorate again?

And yes, they have been reluctant.

I certainly hope that you are incorrect.........in fact my quick search turned up the figures of support for Hamas maxing out at LESS than 30%, from a number of sources over the past 3 years............the latest (a year old) had Hamas support at 15% among all Palestinians.......

Poll shows Hamas support slipping - News

You have a link????

This one shows Hamas with 26%....

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/39182/fatah_clearly_ahead_of_hamas_among_palestinians/

 

[In Between Man]

Hamas stealing aid from who?

You already said it, the UNRWA. The thefts, which is sometimes done at gunpoint, is well documented.

They have an entire social welfare wing dedicated to giving aid to Gazan's.

They take the stolen aid and SELL it to the Palestinians, when the UNRWA's intentions were suppose to be free humanitarian aid.

Tell me why this is if Hamas is stealing from them?

Because they're criminals.

 

[CUBert]

If this is the case that the majority no longer approve of Hamas then there should undoubtedly be an election for the people to decide who they want.. If Hamas gives a **** about the people, their city, and Palestine, they will allow this to happen.

 

[MHz]

Compare any 'loses' with what the US/Israel helped Arafat squirrel away for his wife and Hamas has been above board.

 

[Just the Facts]

lol so even Arafat's corruption is Israel's fault.

 

[Colpy]

Compare any 'loses' with what the US/Israel helped Arafat squirrel away for his wife and Hamas has been above board.

So.....Arafat stole something between one and three BILLION dollars from his people, and then refused to negotiate the final stages of creation of a Palestinian State because his ability to cover his crimes against his own people would be impossible to conceal in the new reality.....

And this is the fault of America and the Jews.

Uh huh.

 

[MHz]

I don't know very much about the 'little tunnel rat' but as a leader he was useless, if his enemies didn't poison him his own people should have been hanging him for treason. It only takes a few vid clips of him hob-knobbing with the big boys to show he didn't have a ****ing clue as to what to do. That was the public appearances no telling how anxious he was in the locked door meetings. Gaza has never had full control of the money sent their way, let alone since the military occupation that began in '67.

We all agree that he was corrupt at the end, his wife ended up with the loot, if that was not just fine with the US and Israel then they were in on it, otherwise the Swiss accounts would have been frozen and the money confiscated and returned to the people of Gaza. You guys do raise a valid point, if the PLO was corrupt the voters had a right to fire them, they did when Hamas was voted in by the people.

Arafat going 'on the take' was equal to becoming one of the fold. That isn't working out all that well for Mubarak at the moment, from corruption to controlling murder squads against your own people is have his head being used as a soccer-ball. (metaphorical term)

 

[petros]

The only way to balance this **** is to to back the Christians into returning and setting up shop back where they belong in Palestine and in Israel.

 

[MHz]

The only way to balance this **** is to to back the Christians into returning and setting up shop back where they belong in Palestine and in Israel.

God beat you to it, His solution is let the chips fall where they may and at the return (this is Israel we are covering) He will put all things in order. Point being 60 years on and as a collective humans have not been able to find a peaceful solution basically showing that we are incapable of doing very much at all when effectiveness is one of the goals.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Give it time, Hizbollah and Hamas are getting better weapons all the time, thanks to Iran. Just a matter of time before they have a nuke.

What your problem with nukes??? Oh yeah, your problem is when the other guy has them too. As long as it is just the US and Israel and your allies nukes are fine right?

You want to start in on thermonuclear warheads I will agree Palestinians and Iranians shouldn't have any when the US and Israel get rid of all of theirs. Either destroy every warhead and the technology to make more and rid the world of all of them completely or stop complaining about others having them.

 

[Colpy]

What your problem with nukes??? Oh yeah, your problem is when the other guy has them too. As long as it is just the US and Israel and your allies nukes are fine right?

You want to start in on thermonuclear warheads I will agree Palestinians and Iranians shouldn't have any when the US and Israel get rid of all of theirs. Either destroy every warhead and the technology to make more and rid the world of all of them completely or stop complaining about others having them.

Damn right.......

I don't want Iran (or Hezbollah and Hamas, same thing) to have nukes for the sames reasons I don't want my neighbour's FAS low-IQ, behaviour-problem, violent idiot child to have a .357 Magnum.

The question is not IF he'll use it, it is WHEN.

Israel has had warheads since at least 1969. They did NOT use them even when on the brink of complete military disaster in the Yom Kippur War. They have not threatened anyone with them, and they are kept in a storage condition that requires some significant time to make them war-worthy.....for sober second thought.

The Israelis are responsible, and have proven it.

The USA used nukes once......to end the worst war in human history, to save a million Allied lives and several million Japanese lives. They did NOT use nukes in that window of opportunity when they were the ONLY nuclear power, and could have ruled the world.......

The USA is responsible, and has proven it.

Iran is a lunatic theocracy led by psychos and fanatics.........with one of the worst human rights records on earth.

If you can't tell the difference, I can.

 

[petros]

You can't nuke Israel without nuking everbody else around it. It's like trying to use a tiger torch on one marshmallow in a bag of mashmallows.

Not gonna happen but it makes for a good scary bedtime story on the Channel 7 Action News.

 

[Colpy]

You can't nuke Israel without nuking everbody else around it. It's like trying to use a tiger torch on one marshmallow in a bag of mashmallows.

Not gonna happen but it makes for a good scary bedtime story on the Channel 7 Action News.

Now, find me a nut-bar Islamist idiot that gives a rat's arse whether his Palestinian "brothers" glow in the dark or not????

Martyrdom is a wonderful thing.

When it is everyone else being martyred.

 

[MHz]

That would solve a lot of 'issues'. Any particular reason your solution should be taken more seriously than the ones propsed by those that actually live in the region?

Now, find me a nut-bar Islamist idiot that gives a rat's arse whether his Palestinian "brothers" glow in the dark or not????

Martyrdom is a wonderful thing.

When it is everyone else being martyred.

So why force war on other nations if we aren't willing to see it come to our own doorstep.

 

[petros]

Now, find me a nut-bar Islamist idiot that gives a rat's arse whether his Palestinian "brothers" glow in the dark or not????

Martyrdom is a wonderful thing.

When it is everyone else being martyred.

If you had a nuke, where would you use it?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Damn right.......

I don't want Iran (or Hezbollah and Hamas, same thing) to have nukes for the sames reasons I don't want my neighbour's FAS low-IQ, behaviour-problem, violent idiot child to have a .357 Magnum.

The question is not IF he'll use it, it is WHEN.

Israel has had warheads since at least 1969. They did NOT use them even when on the brink of complete military disaster in the Yom Kippur War. They have not threatened anyone with them, and they are kept in a storage condition that requires some significant time to make them war-worthy.....for sober second thought.

The Israelis are responsible, and have proven it.

The USA used nukes once......to end the worst war in human history, to save a million Allied lives and several million Japanese lives. They did NOT use nukes in that window of opportunity when they were the ONLY nuclear power, and could have ruled the world.......

The USA is responsible, and has proven it.

Iran is a lunatic theocracy led by psychos and fanatics.........with one of the worst human rights records on earth.

If you can't tell the difference, I can.

So if Israel and the US are so responsible and won't use them why bother investing billions on them, destroy them all and all the technology to make more and then the whole world is safer.

Think of it this way Colpy, if you and I were to have a duel and I told you that you could only use a muzzle-load black powder pistol but I was going to bring an uzi or 2 would you think that is fair? Would you agree to those terms?

 

[petros]

Ah gee, can't they all be IsraPals?

 

[Just the Facts]

You can't nuke Israel without nuking everbody else around it. It's like trying to use a tiger torch on one marshmallow in a bag of mashmallows.

That's where the psychos and fanatics part comes in.

 

[petros]

The Anti-Marshmallowites?