Obama in deep trouble with the law....

EagleSmack

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I am very interested to see how this comes out...

In the beginning I thought there was no way that Obama could win...

Then around July I thought that Obama was going to beat McCaine soundly...

Now McCaine is gaining support and I am not sure if Obama can beat him...

I am at a loss here. I don't know what will happen.
 

Curiosity

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Eaglesmack/Kreskin

I tell ya - it's no fun being a newbie at this - "I wants my money back!"

Even lifelong strict party members seem to be crossing over to the other side whichever that is....

Maybe they should have three strong parties instead of two - the other parties hardly generate a mention.
 

talloola

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The US Constitution states:

McCain might be old but I don't think he was a natural born citizen or a US citizen at the the time of the adoption of the constitution.

Are they sure?;-), as Obama will have his records checked so many times, probably until
some republican can find a way to 'change' them, people in 'powerful' places can maneuver
into 'tight' places, just as they did to remove Bush's 'certain' information re: his
national guard service, for their convenience, so, I won't be the least bit surprised, if
one day, the republicans announce that they have found 'overwhelming proof, that
Obama really isn't a true american.
 

Curiosity

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Talloola

The Republican party are not the ones initiating this glitch in Obama's documentation of eligibility but if you feel the need to blame them - I'm sure they could care less who gets Obama into trouble.

All candidates have to submit proof. Obama seems to be having eligible status as a legal citizen of the U.S.A. His father was a citizen of Kenya and both parents of a candidate for the President must have been birthed in the U.S.A. and have parents who are American.

Obama's group had McCain's Panamanian birth checked out for eligibility and they also checked out Bill Richardson the governor of New Mexico (?) I think it is N.M. in case Richardson was going to make a bid. They must have known his records weren't in order to satisfy as they stood earlier in the year.

But as to your statement ... in all fairness...
...The ones who are making the most noise and who initiated the uproar are the Hillary Clinton backers who felt she has been pushed out of the candidacy by someone who doesn't qualify.

The Republicans are gliding along smiling a lot but the intial articles and essays and blogs were birthed after Hillary was denied what she believed was her rightful promotion within the party simply because she has had far more experience than Obama.

What I fail to understand is how strange this paperwork matter wasn't one of the first things to be submitted for checking - he had to submit for his State Senatorship and the Federal Senatorship he now holds, but those requirements are less stringent than the Presidential one.
 

Curiosity

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Are they sure?;-), as Obama will have his records checked so many times, probably until
some republican can find a way to 'change' them, people in 'powerful' places can maneuver
into 'tight' places, just as they did to remove Bush's 'certain' information re: his
national guard service, for their convenience, so, I won't be the least bit surprised, if
one day, the republicans announce that they have found 'overwhelming proof, that
Obama really isn't a true american.


Again Talloola - McCain was checked out as I said in my previous post - by the Obama people. He was born in a hospital in the Panama Canal Zone where his father (and mother) were stationed by the military. The hospital he was born in wasn't a military hospital but
apparently was considered to be acceptable for maternity/birthing status purposes.

I am surprised this is finding its way here so late - it has been buzzing all over the U.S. forums. Now most of it has been removed because of the lawsuit (I guess).

The Republicans don't have as much power as the Democrats do in the House and Senate these days. There is only a Republican President and VP and their staff of Secretarial personnel such as Condoleeza Rice for one.
 

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Andrew Jackson who, according to my history prof (and friend) was born at sea on the trip his parents made from Ireland..........

Considering Dr. Toner is the expert on Irish immigration, I'll take his word on it.

Colpy,

I do not recall what you are claiming at all. I remember reading about Jackson at the Library of Congress (among other President of interest to me) several years ago, and if my memory serves me correctly, his parents were not only here when he was born, he was the third child born in the US.

I'll double check it though outside Wikipedia since anybody can edit that online rag.
 

talloola

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Talloola

The Republican party are not the ones initiating this glitch in Obama's documentation of eligibility but if you feel the need to blame them - I'm sure they could care less who gets Obama into trouble.

All candidates have to submit proof. Obama seems to be having eligible status as a legal citizen of the U.S.A. His father was a citizen of Kenya and both parents of a candidate for the President must have been birthed in the U.S.A. and have parents who are American.

It was known when O bama first announced his candicacy for the president, that his father was born in Kenya, so, why wasn't he denied the candicacy at that time, I knew that, and it was in his book, so everyone knew it.

Obama's group had McCain's Panamanian birth checked out for eligibility and they also checked out Bill Richardson the governor of New Mexico (?) I think it is N.M. in case Richardson was going to make a bid. They must have known his records weren't in order to satisfy as they stood earlier in the year.

I was only kidding, with my little remark 'are they sure'.


But as to your statement ... in all fairness...
...The ones who are making the most noise and who initiated the uproar are the Hillary Clinton backers who felt she has been pushed out of the candidacy by someone who doesn't qualify.

There is a group of Hilliary's backers who 'just' won't back off, and she did get 18 million
votes, so it will take time for most or all of them to accept the loss. And, as I said before, I think many of them 'just' won't ever vote for a black man,( as Obama's policies and Hilliary's are very similar, so, that isn't the reason,) and that ugly little fact in the
u.s. is still there, although they won't talk about it in the media.

The Republicans are gliding along smiling a lot but the intial articles and essays and blogs were birthed after Hillary was denied what she believed was her rightful promotion within the party simply because she has had far more experience than Obama.

That word 'experience' has been beaten to death, but I guess they don't have many things to pick at Obama for, and that 'experience' thing could eventually work on the public at the polling station, there is so much 'experience', that has a negative side, but I guess
it's still experience right?.

What I fail to understand is how strange this paperwork matter wasn't one of the first things to be submitted for checking - he had to submit for his State Senatorship and the Federal Senatorship he now holds, but those requirements are less stringent than the Presidential one.

One of the very first things he would have had to put down on an application for president of the u.s., is place of birth, and parents citizenship, and I'm sure his
party isn't going to go through all of that expense and time consuming campaigning
for someone who they know is inelligible.
That information is so 'basic', that, if it is actually found out that he is not elibible for
the job he is after, that will be a joke on the incompetency of the u.s. government
for letting something like that slip through.
I mean, why would his party even apply for his eligibility, if he doesn't have any.

If Obama ever actually makes it to the white house, he will have climbed over every obstacle possible, as I'm sure there are millions who will not 'allow' a black family to reside in the WHITE house.
 

talloola

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Again Talloola - McCain was checked out as I said in my previous post - by the Obama people. He was born in a hospital in the Panama Canal Zone where his father (and mother) were stationed by the military. The hospital he was born in wasn't a military hospital but
apparently was considered to be acceptable for maternity/birthing status purposes.

I was just kidding, I did put a smile after my comment.I knew about McCains situation a long time ago.
 

Curiosity

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Sorry Talloola....

I have been concerned about typing anything which may (or should have) been deleted from the internet as the major blogs have been pulled. I tend to preach when I am writing something without citation and there is little to be found right now.

I have one link in which "thunderpig" #7 on the posts gives the background for the Hawaii
certificate of birth. A new one has appeared on the internet according to some people and perhaps Obama settled the matter himself when he visited Hawaii last week. He had a number of name changes as a child and teenager.

If Barack Obama once held Indonesian citizenship, then he might have a sticky problem fitting in with the Constitutional requirements. I have no idea how credible these people are but the initial TexasDarlin site listed also at this link is the original one which had all the legalities listed since April (or before). It has been removed from the internet.
http://4hillary.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/birth-certificate-barry-dunham/
 

Kreskin

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There are many Americans residing in Canada with US citizenship. Not sure why a dual citizenship would be relevant. Isn't the basic criteria being a natural born citizen and living at least 14 years in the US before age 35?

Article II - No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
 

talloola

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Sorry Talloola....


I have one link in which "thunderpig" #7 on the posts gives the background for the Hawaii
certificate of birth. A new one has appeared on the internet according to some people and perhaps Obama settled the matter himself when he visited Hawaii last week. He had a number of name changes as a child and teenager.
He was registered as Barack Obama, I think it was his grandparents, called him Barry for
short, which stuck with him for many years, until he decided to return to his original
name, which is Barack.

If Barack Obama once held Indonesian citizenship, then he might have a sticky problem fitting in with the Constitutional requirements.
When he was a child, his mother married an Indonesion man, and they lived there, and he went to school there, (a public school) until his mother decided he should return to the u.s. which he
did, and lived with his grandmother and grandfather, and finished his schooling there.
 

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....The Clinton's cannot stand Obama. He wrecked their chances and they, Clinton's and supporters are a bitter vengeful people. They feel they were robbed of what they thought was rightfully theirs.
Yes, that's true! Especially Bill Clinton has a hard time:
Clinton, who served two terms as a Democratic president, has seemingly had a hard time accepting Obama's capturing of the party's nomination. He sat teary-eyed in the crowd as his wife, a New York senator, urged the party to put the bitter divisions of the epic, seven-month nomination fight behind them and wholeheartedly get behind Obama's candidacy.
Bill Clinton's image as an elder statesman was damaged during the nomination fight because some of his remarks veered to the nasty as he campaigned for Hillary. However, some reports indicate he also feels the Obama camp hadn't been respectful of his legacy during that period.
What does he expect, if he disrespects Obama? I recall him making some ugly racial remarks! Shame on him! He should have more class, but then,... there is the Lewinsky affair, Paula Jones etc. :roll:

Here is another sidekick from him:
On Tuesday, he further stoked the fires in a speech at a forum of ex-world leaders that some saw as a backhanded endorsement of McCain. "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?" Clinton said.
He described the remarks as being unrelated to the current battle for the presidency that culminates with a vote on Nov. 4.
Sure, sure! Whom else would he be talking about?

Tonight is his turn to give a speech at the convention in Denver, and the anticipation is high about how enthusiastically he will endorse Obama. Apparently he is already miffed, because Obama's people don't want him to spend too much time in his speech comparing his economic record with that of George W. Bush.
"There is still work to do on the Bill Clinton front," Howard Wolfson, a former senior campaign strategist for Hillary Clinton, wrote in The New Republic this week.
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc...clinton_080827
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The game has just begun!! I think Obama will be in for a rough ride. I hope and wish he will keep his cool and stay out of any mud slinging practices.
 

Zzarchov

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Side note:

If Clinton thinks McCain is legitimately a better candidate than Obama

Why the hell should he support Obama, just because they are in the same party?


Thats part of the problem in the US system in the first place. Its like when McCain and Bush try and act all buddy buddy because they are in the same party, they don't agree with each other on 70% of the issues and they hate each others guts, why should they endorse each other?



So, seeing as the Clintons and their supporters agree with McCain (real McCain not pandering to republican base during election year McCain) over Obama... Why shouldn't they support the Candidate they agree with over the candidate with the same colour tie?


Im not saying Obama wouldn't be a better president, Im just saying its undemocratic to force you to vote for people you don't agree with because "they are your team".