Now Ray Lahey Down to Sleep, He Asks the Lord...

AnnaG

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Catholics do not believe in homosexuality but they seem to have the most priests that have sex with little boys.

Does God agree with this?
When are you going to clue in to reality? Or are you just trolling, or being purposefully ignorant?
 

gerryh

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This line in the first paragraph puts the "tell" as to where this goes and how "unscientific" the paper is.

"Lederer places a great deal of faith in statistics which suggest "
 

AnnaG

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.... and what about now, 2 decades and a Pope later? Any progress?

A little info from the RCC:
Celibacy and the Priesthood

Um, has anyone given any thought to whether pedo- and ephebophilia are restricted to North America or is it worldwide? I'm asking because maybe is is a conjunctive issue and our culture ( and perhaps more influences) has something to do with it, too. What is the incidence of these traits in other continents? Maybe its simply a cultural issue and the RCC is simply the handy vehicle for these behaviors.
 

gerryh

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Um, has anyone given any thought to whether pedo- and ephebophilia are restricted to North America or is it worldwide? I'm asking because maybe is is a conjunctive issue and our culture ( and perhaps more influences) has something to do with it, too. What is the incidence of these traits in other continents? Maybe its simply a cultural issue and the RCC is simply the handy vehicle for these behaviors.


From what I have been reading, it is far more of a problem in North America than in other areas.
 

AnnaG

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From what I have been reading, it is far more of a problem in North America than in other areas.
Then maybe it is mostly a cultural phenomenon and the RCC priesthood thing is just a matter of convenience.
 

karrie

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Then maybe it is mostly a cultural phenomenon and the RCC priesthood thing is just a matter of convenience.

quite a few links I found pointed to the problem of paedophilia in the protestant church being even higher than that of Catholicism. Since it's kind of beside the point I didn't link any, but, run a search and see what you turn up.
 

AnnaG

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More investigation and study. At least the issue can't be swept under the rug. I saw part of a thing on the 5th Estate this morning where people turn their back on the RCC and leave it because of its tendency to dawdle, obfuscate, etc.
 

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More investigation and study. At least the issue can't be swept under the rug. I saw part of a thing on the 5th Estate this morning where people turn their back on the RCC and leave it because of its tendency to dawdle, obfuscate, etc.

Exactly! Excellent point!
 

gerryh

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That it's not a US or NA phenomenon. That celibacy should be debated.

yet, the Protestant Churches also seem to be having the same problem as per the link that Annag supplied..... yet they don't encourage celibacy.
 

AnnaG

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I can't seem to find any direct studies on a relationship between celibacy and pedophilia let alone tying them together. That's why I said we need more investigation and study so we can determine the causes and do something about it.
 

karrie

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More investigation and study. At least the issue can't be swept under the rug. I saw part of a thing on the 5th Estate this morning where people turn their back on the RCC and leave it because of its tendency to dawdle, obfuscate, etc.

Is that a problem? Not to sound obtuse, but, does a church 'have' to change the way it does things so that more people like it, or should it be free to drive itself into oblivion?

Celibacy doesn't cause paedophilia or any other form of sexual abuse, from any of the links or studies I've been able to find. What it DOES seem to cause, is a shrinking clergy, and thus trouble among its ranks. So... whose issue is that? If it wants to carry on choking itself out... why do people outside of it really care?