Nova Scotia Bans Fracking..........Again

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The Liberal government of Nova Scotia announced last week it will permanently ban hydraulic fracturing, more commonly known as fracking. But they already banned fracking a couple of years ago.
So this is like hanging someone, burying them, and then digging them up and shooting them.
We get it: they don’t want fracking – or the jobs and tax revenues that come with it.
Because, who would want their economy to be like Alberta’s or B.C.’s or Saskatchewan’s, all of which are rich in part because of fracking.
Nova Scotia’s average household earns about 50% of the average household of Alberta.
Better keep that oil and gas industry out.
Fracking is a boring, technical process for increasing production of oil and gas. About 85% of all oil and gas wells in North America are fracked.
Fracking was invented in 1947. It’s been done more than a million times in the United States, and over 100,000 times in Alberta alone. It’s normal.
And safe.
In 67 years, there has never been a single, proven case of drinking water contamination from fracking. It’s certainly safer than Nova Scotia’s traditional source of energy – coal mining. According to the provincial government, 2,584 Nova Scotians have died in coal mining disasters in the province’s history. Which is 2,584 more than fracking has ever caused.
It would be absurd to ban coal mining because of occasional accidents – just as it would be absurd to ban cars because of car accidents.
Except that when it comes to fracking, the accidents just haven’t happened.
But, given Nova Scotia had already banned fracking, why did they re-ban it again now?
Well, Nova Scotia has a Liberal government. There is an election right now in neighbouring New Brunswick, and fracking is a key issue in the campaign there. And the Conservatives are running on a pro-fracking campaign.
So re-banning fracking was a campaign stunt – the Liberals in Nova Scotia trying to help the Liberals in New Brunswick.
It’s politics.
But it’s the worst kind of politics – the politics of defeat, the politics of “no,” the politics of a political and media class more comfortable with welfare than with work.
Atlantic Canada’s Liberals have a policy choice: fill government coffers through oil and gas jobs and the taxes that come from them, or live off the avails of other, richer province like Alberta, B.C. and Saskatchewan. Who are rich in part because of fracking.
What Nova Scotia’s Liberals are really is saying is, they’ll take the profits from fracking.
They just won’t actually do the fracking. Let those western boys do the hard work. Nova Scotia will be content to live off the scraps from equalization transfers.
They might as well put up a big billboard on the highways leading into the province: Nova Scotia is closed for business.
In the past, Atlantic Canada could blame bad luck or global trends outside of its own control. Like when the fisheries declined, and thousands of Atlantic Canadians just couldn’t work – there just weren’t cod in the sea.
Or when the coal mines just weren’t economic anymore, or the Sydney steel mills.
But banning the oil and gas industry, and fracking – the largest source of job growth in North America, and the source of the highest-paying jobs – isn’t an accident, or just tough luck. It is a willful decision.
Of course, plenty of Nova Scotians work in fracking right now. They just have to leave their home and travel west to do it. Don’t ever say Atlantic Canadians lack initiative.
They have loads of it. Enough to leave their home province for work, a thousand miles away. Nova Scotia’s anti-jobs policies have purged so many young people, its average age is a full three years older than the national norm. It has the greatest proportion of senior citizens in the country. The young people have all gone west.
But hey, Yoko Ono and other celebrities approve, right Liberals?


Nova Scotia closed for business | Ezra Levant


Exactly.


Were there any justice in the world, there would be NO more equalization payments made to Nova Scotia. They have the riches buried in the ground, they just are not willing to extract it......but wish to be a parasite on the back of those that DO use their natural resources.

Same for New Brunswick, if we are damned fool enough to vote Liberal on Sept. 22, which looks likely.

BTW, the rumour mill has it that BOTH NS and NB have HUGE natural gas deposits.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill
 

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If they don't wish to fracture then flooding or CO2 injection into the formation will have to do. The good thing is you can fracture a hole 100 years after drilling or a week.

It's okay, your potential ON customers are already buying Marcellus fractured shale gas for cheaper from American Liberals. NS will just have to use it for it's own industry since it won't be able to market it without losing their shirts.

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Exactly.


Were there any justice in the world, there would be NO more equalization payments made to Nova Scotia. They have the riches buried in the ground, they just are not willing to extract it......but wish to be a parasite on the back of those that DO use their natural resources.

Same for New Brunswick, if we are damned fool enough to vote Liberal on Sept. 22, which looks likely.

BTW, the rumour mill has it that BOTH NS and NB have HUGE natural gas deposits.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill


4 states confirm water pollution from drilling

Nova Scotia relies on groundwater for about 50% of their potable water I believe. Places like that tend to more protective of their groundwater resources. PEI is 100% groundwater, I believe.
 

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This is not a culture of we'd rather be on welfare. They are the ones doing a large part of the
work in Alberta and elsewhere. They don't want it because the people don't want it and they
have gas drilling going on off the coast. There are those who are not willing to just give in to
what the big companies want. I don't know about fracking and whether it will do future harm.
I don't think an outright ban is the answer either cause if you do that you won't find out what
the future holds.
It should be noted Eastern Canada is much more in tune with the social agenda when ti comes
to these things. They don't want companies coming in and screwing them over like they have
for more than a century. The last time it was said "Take a chance" they got the Sydney Tar
Pond that some say will be impossible to clean up.
We may find contaminated water in the west too and maybe we won't we should experiment
but not go hog wild like we are until we know more. If there is severe damage for the future
who should pay? The Companies NOt the Government in other words you and I.
NS had a ban under the NDP and the present government and the Tories were critical now they
are coming to the same conclusion I find that interesting.
 

petros

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You're burning fractured gas grumpy. Are people living and working on BCs chunk of Prairie dieing or are they happy to to have a second cheque beyond canola and oats?
 

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Petros the people in the North East corner are not even united and the large
part of the Province is opposed. They are opposed to the Norther Gateway
as well. I am not opposed merely opposed to the company that is going to
operate it and Kinder Morgan I think most reluctantly support a second line.
In large measure the people of BC are fundamentally opposed to Fracking.
I like I said am reluctant until I see a measured area and what it did or did not
do. I am not out of hand opposed though.
BC is a place where not only environmentalists are opposed it cuts across
societies margins. If Northern Gateway gets off the ground Harper could have
serious voting problems. There is also a developing opinion BC Ports are
BC territory and that is not good either. Fracking is going to be a huge issue
in BC unfortunately it will be polarized who's side are you on attitude and
governments know that
Right now I think some should be done but not wholesale fracking
 

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There was no report given in the article. It's all bullshyte. Show us an actual report from EPA or state environmental dept.

I think in a few cases, the drilling companies have settled with homeowners. There was a recent study that showed that, in Pennsylvania, homes within a one-mile radius of fracking operations had an average of six times the concentrartion of methane in the water. Of course, correlation is not necessarily causation. And I don't actually mehtane is very tocix anyways. Flammable as all hell, though.

Fracking activity has increased exponentially recently, so it should be expected that the odds of an accident will increase, including gases or fracturing liquids that escape up through a faulty casing. If you live in an area that relies on groundwater for potable water, the consequences of that are potentially more severe.

You'll have to look around for the reports yourself, Walter. I just read that article--I didn't go hunt down the evidence in state records.

But with fracking like everything else, the right will ignore environmental impacts and the left will be screaming OMGs to the heavens on its devastation.

Still a man hears what he wants to hear and he disregards the rest.
 

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Ban hiring workers from anti fracking provinces in the gas and oil fields in provinces that are creating an industry. Scrap equalization payments as well and see how popular fracking becomes.
 

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Ban hiring workers from anti fracking provinces in the gas and oil fields in provinces that are creating an industry. Scrap equalization payments as well and see how popular fracking becomes.

:lol: That's hilarious. Send all the NS boys home and see who's left to do the work! Significantly fewer workers, and for what?

As for the risk? One and a half million litres of waste water spilled out of a containment pond in Kennetcook earlier this year. That kind of stuff doesn't help much.

It's funny too, all the NIMBY's were saying the panel review process was too narrow, didn't allow enough time, even questioning Dr. Wheeler because he had been a consultant for BP, among others with industry ties. They seem pretty happy with the results though.
 

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In County Mayo, Ireland, they found some gold under the ridge that includes Croagh Patrick. The county passed a law against commercial mining in the ridge. Felt like there were other things than jobs and economic advantage that were important.

Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. But I ain't gonna call 'em stupid for their decision.

Same with Nova Scotia. The "jobs" argument only goes so far. When the U.S. was debating the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, prompted by the Cuyahoga River catching fire because of all the flammable pollutants in it, industry was squawking about how stopping them from poisoning the river and the Great Lakes would cost jobs.
 

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In County Mayo, Ireland, they found some gold under the ridge that includes Croagh Patrick. The county passed a law against commercial mining in the ridge. Felt like there were other things than jobs and economic advantage that were important.

Maybe they were right, maybe they were wrong. But I ain't gonna call 'em stupid for their decision.

Same with Nova Scotia. The "jobs" argument only goes so far. When the U.S. was debating the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act, prompted by the Cuyahoga River catching fire because of all the flammable pollutants in it, industry was squawking about how stopping them from poisoning the river and the Great Lakes would cost jobs.

Fine. Then the Albertans, who are taking all the "risks", should not have to support them.
 

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Fine. Then the Albertans, who are taking all the "risks", should not have to support them.
Funny to hear you arguing against localism and strong provincial governments, but there you go.

Fine. Then the Albertans, who are taking all the "risks", should not have to support them.

What do you think? Were the Mayomen stupid to not allow mining under their sacred peak? Did the U.S. overreact to one small river fire and a Great Lake rapidly turning into a toxic sewer?
 

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:lol: That's hilarious. Send all the NS boys home and see who's left to do the work! Significantly fewer workers, and for what?

As for the risk? One and a half million litres of waste water spilled out of a containment pond in Kennetcook earlier this year. That kind of stuff doesn't help much.

It's funny too, all the NIMBY's were saying the panel review process was too narrow, didn't allow enough time, even questioning Dr. Wheeler because he had been a consultant for BP, among others with industry ties. They seem pretty happy with the results though.


half a million litres of water means nothing.


I live in a town of 100,000 people, we all take a **** once a day in half a million litres of water then flush it down river to the next town.
 

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Funny to hear you arguing against localism and strong provincial governments, but there you go.



What do you think? Were the Mayomen stupid to not allow mining under their sacred peak? Did the U.S. overreact to one small river fire and a Great Lake rapidly turning into a toxic sewer?

The Mayomen, as you said, were perfectly within their rights, as is Nova Scotia.

People are allowed to be stupid.

I have no problem with people moving against pollution of the waterways.......I do have a problem with foreign-financed Luddites completely halting development, using native land claims as an excuse, to force a "moratorium" on a practice that has been proven reasonably safe over 65 years of use.

Now, I'm afraid that I have to assume you know absolutely nothing about the situation here in New Brunswick......where a company has been doing exploratory seismic testing........so I would ask you make no assumptions.
 

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half a million litres of water means nothing.

What if it were Sydney Tar pond water?

Obviously the concentration matters, that is what makes the difference between toxic and not, the dose.

That said, when you're fighting to have your industry accepted, spilling 1.5 million litres into your neighbours' lands is most definitely not 'nothing'.