Northern Gateway would up risk of whale strikes

[B00Mer]

SO how is the solar powered truck doing? We are just filling a market demand while you are the market with your 6 mpg.

6.2 mpg.

Was getting 5.5 mpg, but I cut off the resonator and put a straight pipe in (no more back pressure), turned it up to 550 HP, set max speed at 100 mph and the engine is a Cat with twin turbo.. 85 MPH along I20 Westbound towards El Paso from Dallas/Ft. Worth is real easy..

BTW, Solar Power rigs are being used NOW for local deliveries in Arizona and Florida as well as over seas.. you were saying.. :lol:

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[Locutus]

AirFlow BulletTruck Tractor-Trailer is Over 100% More Efficient - The Green Optimistic

I made it one sentence into this page and gave up:


There is probably nothing more American, or less fuel-efficient, than the tractor-trailer, which transports tons of thousands of tons of goods from place to place, if you.



derp

 

[B00Mer]

I made it one sentence into this page and gave up:


There is probably nothing more American, or less fuel-efficient, than the tractor-trailer, which transports tons of thousands of tons of goods from place to place, if you.



derp

Yup, but they are trying to make them more fuel efficient.. and California has outlawed idoling of Big Rigs, you have to have an APU or a Green Engine..

Without the Big Rigs you don't have your groceries, clothes, fuel, and everything else shipped by truck.

 

[Tonington]

Statistically would not every new boat floated in salt water increase the odds of a whale strike?

If the tankers proposed for Northern Gateway are already in existence wouldn’t the odds for whale strikes remain the same?

It depends on if the marine traffic and animal populations are in the same area. Will traffic going into Kitimat increase? If so, then the probability of striking a whale go up.

I can see how bringing a few more tankers into Canadian waters would slightly increase whale strikes in BC waters but would not the whale strikes be equivalently reduced in the regions the tankers were operating in prior to moving through Canadian waters?

Again, it depends on where the traffic is moved from, and as for equivalence, well that would depend on the population size of the animals where the shipping traffic was previously. Norway as you mentioned rarely sees whales. Bottlenose whales are found there, but from a conservation perspective, the greatest threats to bottlenose whales comes from ships in the Gully off of Nova Scotia. So if the ships were moved from an area in Norway where whale sightings are rare, to an area in BC where whale sightings are not rare, and tourism operators operate based on that prevalence, well then there is obviously no equivalence.

A further confounding factor for equivalence would be the species of whale. Some species are more at risk because of their behaviour, like Northern Atlantic right whales. Over half of the mortality amongst the whales is attributed to vessel strikes and entanglement in fishing gear. There's less than 400 individuals left now.

 

[Locutus]

Yup, but they are trying to make them more fuel efficient.. and California has outlawed idoling of Big Rigs, you have to have an APU or a Green Engine..

Without the Big Rigs you don't have your groceries, clothes, fuel, and everything else shipped by truck.

I agree man, but


tons of thousands

if you

dafuq does that mean?

cwhatimean

 

[Trex]

It depends on if the marine traffic and animal populations are in the same area. Will traffic going into Kitimat increase? If so, then the probability of striking a whale go up.



Again, it depends on where the traffic is moved from, and as for equivalence, well that would depend on the population size of the animals where the shipping traffic was previously. Norway as you mentioned rarely sees whales. Bottlenose whales are found there, but from a conservation perspective, the greatest threats to bottlenose whales comes from ships in the Gully off of Nova Scotia. So if the ships were moved from an area in Norway where whale sightings are rare, to an area in BC where whale sightings are not rare, and tourism operators operate based on that prevalence, well then there is obviously no equivalence.

A further confounding factor for equivalence would be the species of whale. Some species are more at risk because of their behaviour, like Northern Atlantic right whales. Over half of the mortality amongst the whales is attributed to vessel strikes and entanglement in fishing gear. There's less than 400 individuals left now.

If whales are so rare in Norway why are there so many Norwegian whale watching tour groups bragging about both the quantity and variety of whales in Norwegian waters?

I looked up the rare and endangered North Atlantic right whale.
Its limited range is right smack in the middle of the main offshore North Sea drilling region.
Offshore drilling, pipelining and tanker routes from the O&G producing zones of the UK, Scotland, Denmark, Holland but primarily Norway seem to be located perfectly in the Eastern group of the North Atlantic right whales prime habitat.
See here: http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/rangemaps/northatlanticrightwhale.pdf

Thus it would seem to me to be far more environmentally correct to move some of the oil tankers out of the North Sea O&G production zones and into BC waters.

But your the expert.

 

[BaalsTears]

Humpback whale populations off of BC are increasing, just like they are around Monterey Bay and the rest of the North Pacific. The tankers should just slow down until they move out of BC waters.

 

[taxslave]

6.2 mpg.

Was getting 5.5 mpg, but I cut off the resonator and put a straight pipe in (no more back pressure), turned it up to 550 HP, set max speed at 100 mph and the engine is a Cat with twin turbo.. 85 MPH along I20 Westbound towards El Paso from Dallas/Ft. Worth is real easy..

BTW, Solar Power rigs are being used NOW for local deliveries in Arizona and Florida as well as over seas.. you were saying.. :lol:

Oh yeah and check this out.. for Long Hauls..

In the resulting test-run, 65,000lb GVWR from Connecticut to California, the AirFlow BulletTruck averaged 13.4mpg, which reflects a 123% improvement in fuel economy.

AirFlow BulletTruck Tractor-Trailer is Over 100% More Efficient - The Green Optimistic

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Running light and in prime light country. SO when you max out the weight and run at night it would not perform so well. But it is a step in the right direction.
Starting to be a few running on NG as well.

 

[petros]

Humpback whale populations off of BC are increasing, just like they are around Monterey Bay and the rest of the North Pacific. The tankers should just slow down until they move out of BC waters.

Has a bauxite bulker that have been going in and out of Kitimat for the past several decades ever hit a humpback or does anyone even know about the bulkers

 

[gerryh]

6.2 mpg.

Was getting 5.5 mpg, but I cut off the resonator and put a straight pipe in (no more back pressure), turned it up to 550 HP, set max speed at 100 mph and the engine is a Cat with twin turbo.. 85 MPH along I20 Westbound towards El Paso from Dallas/Ft. Worth is real easy..

BTW, Solar Power rigs are being used NOW for local deliveries in Arizona and Florida as well as over seas.. you were saying.. :lol:

Oh yeah and check this out.. for Long Hauls..

In the resulting test-run, 65,000lb GVWR from Connecticut to California, the AirFlow BulletTruck averaged 13.4mpg, which reflects a 123% improvement in fuel economy.

AirFlow BulletTruck Tractor-Trailer is Over 100% More Efficient - The Green Optimistic

Please visit my website: Eco Friendly Hosting - Green Hosting - EcoFriendlyHosting.com

what he was saying was exactly right. You use a truck that gets a lousy 6 MPG and you complain about oil production and transportation. Now look in the mirror and say "There's a good hypocrite".

 

[petros]

And does away with emission systems to get better milage.

That is going to kill at least three blind bipolar bears.

 

[Tonington]

I looked up the rare and endangered North Atlantic right whale.
Its limited range is right smack in the middle of the main offshore North Sea drilling region.

"In the eastern North Atlantic, the right whale population likely numbers in
the low tens at best with little known regarding their distribution and migration pattern
(NMFS 2010). This population may be functionally extinct (Best et al. 2001)."
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/species/narightwhale_5yearreview.pdf

Thus it would seem to me to be far more environmentally correct to move some of the oil tankers out of the North Sea O&G production zones and into BC waters.

How so? All you did was look at range maps. You conveniently ignored everything about population sizes, and prevalence.

Have you ever been involved in risk assessments before? I mean you seem to have some experience in oil and gas matters, but in order to quantify things like risk you need more than a map of geographical distribution.

If you think as you said earlier, that moving ships would be statistically like for like with regards to risk, what is that based on?

 

[Locutus]

This broad is probably just mad because the government wants to strike the humpbacks from the more prestigious threatened species category.

The marine biologist was angry that day my friends. Mad and angry. :lol:

 

[captain morgan]

This broad is probably just mad because the government wants to strike the humpbacks from the more prestigious threatened species category.

The marine biologist was angry that day my friends. Mad and angry. :lol:

Sounds to me like she gets paid to study humpbacks and if they are removed from the endangered species list, chances are her funding dries up along with it

 

[petros]

Hopefully she never learns of the Great Circle. She'd sh-t her pants and then have a heart attack. The majority of northern hemisphere's pacific shipping goes through humpback routes.

 

[JLM]

How many whales are going to be struck on an annual basis? Whales are smart, they'll move when they perceive a hazard! -

 

[Locutus]

like was said, it's a make-work project for the 5 hipsters at their little cetacean institute.

 

[petros]

How many whales are going to be struck on an annual basis? Whales are smart, they'll move when they perceive a hazard! -

You'd think so wouldn't you?

 

[bill barilko]

How many whales are going to be struck on an annual basis? Whales are smart, they'll move when they perceive a hazard!

Your gross ignorance is showing-some Cetaceans are much smarter than others.

Humpback are definitely on the lower end of the scale-twice I've had them surface in front of a speeding powerboat and only by some hard steering did we manage to avoid a tragic end for both humans & cetacean.

They travel & breech seemingly @ will-as anyone who's ever shared the water with them knows (I seem to be the only person on this thread with that kind of experience).

There's a Youtube vid of a famously tragic breech in South Africa look it up if you want to educate yourself.

 

[petros]

Ahhhh they are pushy. There is no room in the ocean for pushy creatures.