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Retired sea captain: Don't be fooled by Harper's pipeline plans
I've sailed every part of this coast, seen just about every kind of storm, squall or system, and I've experienced every kind of tide, current or cycle imaginable. With this in mind I believe I am qualified to ask the simplest of questions: Why would anyone in their right mind ever consider the proposition of running supertankers through the seascape around Kitimat?
Every skipper would describe the conditions in B.C. as "unpredictable." This aptly pertains to anywhere along our coast but gains special meaning when applied to the labyrinth of inlets and islands along the route out of Kitimat. There are simply too many variables at play to guarantee safety, and there have been only too many wrecks to prove it. These include the carcass of the U.S. Warship M.S. Zalinski currently leaking its 700 tons of fuel oil into the estuary, and the ill-fated Queen of the North that sunk as recently as 2006.
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I've sailed every part of this coast, seen just about every kind of storm, squall or system, and I've experienced every kind of tide, current or cycle imaginable. With this in mind I believe I am qualified to ask the simplest of questions: Why would anyone in their right mind ever consider the proposition of running supertankers through the seascape around Kitimat?
Every skipper would describe the conditions in B.C. as "unpredictable." This aptly pertains to anywhere along our coast but gains special meaning when applied to the labyrinth of inlets and islands along the route out of Kitimat. There are simply too many variables at play to guarantee safety, and there have been only too many wrecks to prove it. These include the carcass of the U.S. Warship M.S. Zalinski currently leaking its 700 tons of fuel oil into the estuary, and the ill-fated Queen of the North that sunk as recently as 2006.
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Cliff.
How many bauxite bulkers have went down in those waters on their way to the recently expanded aluminum smelter?
Are you aware of the ship traffic the will be in and out of those waters when the Asia Pacific Gateway port is complete?
No one at the lunatic pow wow made mention? Nothing on YouTube either? Why not?
BC already spent the money the Feds paid to build this entire system. It's too late.
How many bauxite bulkers have went down in those waters on their way to the recently expanded aluminum smelter?
Are you aware of the ship traffic the will be in and out of those waters when the Asia Pacific Gateway port is complete?
No one at the lunatic pow wow made mention? Nothing on YouTube either? Why not?
BC already spent the money the Feds paid to build this entire system. It's too late.
Of course they are. Where do you think all the ecco's are getting their funding form? The fact of the matter is that pipelines are safer now than they've ever been and nothing can be done without the what, 209 recommendations being put in place first.
But, I suppose if BC'ers are so anti pipeline, the trains will just have to increase their loads of oil. Sigh - now THAT's a disaster waiting to happen fer sure!
JMHO
Enbridge started by trying an end around the truth and they have no credibility
I am hoping they don't get this thing off the ground. Kinder Morgan I have no
problem with but this outfit is reckless at best incompetent at worst.
Yes BC folks are opposed to this potential threat and when the election comes
if Harper insists on pushing it he will lose a lot of votes maybe that is a good thing
in itself
I am hoping they don't get this thing off the ground. Kinder Morgan I have no
problem with but this outfit is reckless at best incompetent at worst.
Yes BC folks are opposed to this potential threat and when the election comes
if Harper insists on pushing it he will lose a lot of votes maybe that is a good thing
in itself
Tankers are the main reason this pipeline has so much resistance, that and it goes through so much wilderness. Enridge has a a very bad rep for pipeline safety. So just about everyone who lives on the route, natives and non-natives, is opposed.
Show me a comparison to the sizes of bauxite tankers and the super oil tankers going through those waters.
Who is this "87%" comprised of? No one asked me or anyone that I know!
First of all I think British Columbians have to figure out if the pipeline and tankers are a benefit, IF DONE PROPERLY. Once that hurdle is figured out then strict rules have to be in place so that it so it operates properly 100% of the time and obviously that means lots of watch dogs and fail proof mechanisms in place. Can all that happen and the operation still be profitable? There's the answer. Oh yeah and don't forget the cost of ample insurance. If Embridge can't be trusted to deliver properly are there other outfits who can?
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It's a done deal. BC already took the money 10 years ago. This is Chretiens puppy Harper is just caring for the pooch until the next PM.
Did you look into Conoco yet?
Ever seen the refineries in Puget Sound fed with Alaskan oil. How does the oil get into Puget Sound?
There is already too much crackin' in BC. One of the most cracked out and jib rat infested places on the planet. Sh-t I almost forgot one of the highest density of indoor weed that sucks up more of their energy than heavy industry and none of it taxable.
Deadbeats the whole bloody hypocritical lot of them.
Wilderness? Are you serious?
Volume princess. It's all about volume.
Looked good to me, Petros. I was just back and forth over it once. (I don't patronize Kelowna) -
I guess there is still a little more work to be done on it- Oyamans noses are a little out of joint in that the accesses at both ends is such that if a person isn't paying close attention he can miss Oyama. Anyway it was looooooooooong over due.
Overdue just like the Kicking Horse or the Port Mann or, or, or all in BC and all prepaid with oil, gas potash and grain.Looked good to me, Petros. I was just back and forth over it once. (I don't patronize Kelowna) -
Why not answer Petros' question directly?
How many tankers transporting potash have become reefs off the BC coast?
How about sulphur?... Right in the Port of Vancouver, massive piles of that stuff out in the open and being shipped daily... No issues with that, or is sulphur a net benefit to the ecosystem if the tanker sinks?
Kicking Horse Canyon and Port Mann Bridge are fairly skookum projects compared to Winfield - Oyama! -
I think we have to keep in mind there is some risk to everything we do whether it's hauling oil to China or moving marshmallows across the street; we can't let risk stop us as long as we can identify it, assess it and put in safeguards.
Kicking Horse Canyon and Port Mann Bridge are fairly skookum projects compared to Winfield - Oyama! -
I think we have to keep in mind there is some risk to everything we do whether it's hauling oil to China or moving marshmallows across the street; we can't let risk stop us as long as we can identify it, assess it and put in safeguards.
That why Canada builds the best pipelines for the entire world (yes Canadians build outside of Canada, neat huh?) The tightest safety regulations and by far the best record.
How do you get any better than the best?
Why not answer Petros' question directly?
How many tankers transporting potash have become reefs off the BC coast?
How about sulphur?... Right in the Port of Vancouver, massive piles of that stuff out in the open and being shipped daily... No issues with that, or is sulphur a net benefit to the ecosystem if the tanker sinks?
Hey hey hey keep logic out of this illogical argument.
Cliffy wants to keep living a better lifestyle burning propane in a camper insulated for 3 seasons paid for by resources through the public dole while contributing nothing to repay his debt all while keeping 1.2 Billion people from having energy for basics like cooking and a light to read by to get an education let alone industry or health care that requires immense energy that wind, solar and rainbows could never supply.
How f-cking greedy and selfish is that?
All the insurance in the world won't make up for the loss of the coastline
We don't need to risk our coastline to ship oil to Asia. BC folks by and
large don't want it.
The recourse is to throw out any politician that supports it regardless of
party
I am not on the front line of the environmental movement but it seems the
public opinion on this is not selling well. They're spending money on it and
they can't even get the host city on board all this and still they can't get a
buy in from residents of the Province
We don't need to risk our coastline to ship oil to Asia. BC folks by and
large don't want it.
The recourse is to throw out any politician that supports it regardless of
party
I am not on the front line of the environmental movement but it seems the
public opinion on this is not selling well. They're spending money on it and
they can't even get the host city on board all this and still they can't get a
buy in from residents of the Province
BC already got paid. Do you want to have to pay it all back? So then close all the ports and lay off 250 000 people in BC that rely on ports.
Fine by me. Let Vancouver get overgrown by blackberries. It'll give the jib rats somewhere to scurry to when the sun rises.
There's an old saying- "You can't stop progress". (But I think it can be managed to advantage)