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It was an act of war, the same sort of thing done by invaders for centuries, but only on a much grander scale. It was acceptable by the Germans at the time. But one also has to remember, they were also the agressors, not the defenders.
That would define any such move, no matter the stage name, as being an act of aggression, rather than a defensive move.
 

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BTW, what is written in the OT is quite different from what is written in the NT and Christians should be more attentive to the NT.

I won't get into the misrepresentations of scripture practiced by people with an agenda, that could take me well beyond retirement ;-). But if you know anything about the scriptures, and I'm sure you do, His basic law, (not the stuff about what is kosher and whatnot) is finite and not subject to change without notice, or the zeitgeist, like ours. I have not seen where it is okay to not defend those in your care against an agressor. Giving your life to save, (not take) another is a different matter.
 

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laws of the Nations,as well as Jesus's Laws
But Josh's laws were the laws of Moses which Christia ns NEVER keep. Two biggest are no idol worship and keep the sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) holy. Which are the most deviant of hours for a Christian who are out spending cash on material goods, eating out, drinking, getting high or getting boinked while the kids are out getting drunk and high. And the rest are watching TV like zombies.

I'd hate to be a Christian when Josh came back. There is gonna be hell to pay.
 

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OMG, OMG the Gobi Desert is in danger of invasion by ...... people.
He was talking ALL of the Americas. Some jackasses in the middle east have laid claim to land by claiming heredity and so will they and the DNA will prove it he says.

I doubt they have any qualms about quoting Sun Tzu in their literature.
 

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The NT promotes disassociation with a person instead of breaching the Law. That would not take into spontaneous events. Planning a death is wrong from the start
 

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I won't get into the misrepresentations of scripture practiced by people with an agenda, that could take me well beyond retirement ;-). But if you know anything about the scriptures, and I'm sure you do, His basic law, (not the stuff about what is kosher and whatnot) is finite and not subject to change without notice, or the zeitgeist, like ours. I have not seen where it is okay to not defend those in your care against an agressor. Giving your life to save, (not take) another is a different matter.
I agree, but if there is no aggressor, then one should at least be on speaking terms with everyone else.
 

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Jesus also told him to put the sword away, wonder if He also healed the ear before being led away?

If you choose to believe, yes, Jesus's purpose was preordained and he told him to put it away, and he did reattach the ear.



The sword that was the defense against evil was left to the Governments of the Nations. Christian were given the task of staying within the laws of the Nations,as well as Jesus's Laws. That means the Church is subject to the sword, she should not be directing the direction the sword takes (determine what is evil)

Swords, or weapons were for the defense of self, that you were a subject of that nation also meant that you could be conscripted to defend the nation, kind of like Switzerland and Israel and today.

With history being written by the winner. lol

Yup, that's kinda how its been for, like, ever.
 

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He was talking ALL of the Americas. Some jackasses in the middle east have laid claim to land by claiming heredity and so will they and the DNA will prove it he says.

I doubt they have any qualms about quoting Sun Tzu in their literature.
Ahh, so the people headed for the Gobi will be American refugees once China gives them their outstanding bill and eviction notice.

But Josh's laws were the laws of Moses which Christia ns NEVER keep. Two biggest are no idol worship and keep the sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) holy. Which are the most deviant of hours for a Christian who are out spending cash on material goods, eating out, drinking, getting high or getting boinked while the kids are out getting drunk and high. And the rest are watching TV like zombies.

I'd hate to be a Christian when Josh came back. There is gonna be hell to pay.
Christian have a bit more relaxed status on some things. The being in sin by thought alone is something we don't want to even look at. lol

Col:2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
 

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I agree, but if there is no aggressor, then one should at least be on speaking terms with everyone else.

Or at least be tolerant of each other. I don't subscribe to the liberal version of tolerance whereby we have to celebrate each others' differences. I'm happier if I'm accepted knowing I'm mildly miffed by other peoples' differences and I choose to accept them regardless of that. and others accept me and my differences as well, on speaking terms or not.
 

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But Josh's laws were the laws of Moses which Christia ns NEVER keep. Two biggest are no idol worship and keep the sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) holy. Which are the most deviant of hours for a Christian who are out spending cash on material goods, eating out, drinking, getting high or getting boinked while the kids are out getting drunk and high. And the rest are watching TV like zombies.

I'd hate to be a Christian when Josh came back. There is gonna be hell to pay.

My understanding is that all sins are forgiveable through Jesus, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, (I have not yet met anyone who could elaborate on that). But to say society is going to hell in a handbasket may well be accurate.
 

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Luke 11:46
46 But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers.
Matt 23:2-5
2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees (Zionists) have seated themselves in the chair of Moses;
3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things, and do not do them.
4 "And they tie up heavy loads, and lay them on men's shoulders ; but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.
5 "But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men
Matt 23:23-28
23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (Zionists), hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.
24 "You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees (Zionists), hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.
26 "You blind Pharisee (Zionist), first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
27 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, (Zionists) hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
28 "Even so you too outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Mark 7:6-13
6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from me.
7 'But in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'
8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."
9 He was also saying to them, "You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
10 "For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death';
11 but you say, 'If a man says to his father or his mother, anything of mine you might have been helped by is Corban (that is to say, given to God) ,'
12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that."
 

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But Josh's laws were the laws of Moses which Christia ns NEVER keep. Two biggest are no idol worship and keep the sabbath Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) holy.

Ahhh, yes I remember, it was during the time of the passover, His arrest, trial, crucifixtion and resurrection, "Remember this day, and keep it Holy". It is the time Christians celebrate the pagan ceremony of easter. We (Christians) aren't celebrating easter, but the things I just mentioned. Am I thick or what? The big celebration is Christmas, the next one is easter, which coincides with the most important one which no name. Easter and the day Jesus said to keep holy are coincidental, not interchangable. But that is only my belief, believe what you will, sorry for the mini rant.
 

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Luke 11:46
46 But He said, "Woe to you lawyers as well! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear, while you yourselves will not even touch the burdens with one of your fingers.
Matt 23:2-5
2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees (Zionists) have seated themselves in the chair of Moses;

This thread has apparently degenerated, I can understand your disdain for lawyers, but painting all zionists with the same brush seems kind of excessive. Maybe paraphrasing your entire post, or translating it into the Queen's tongue will show people that it also describes today's so called liberals.
 

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This thread has apparently degenerated, I can understand your disdain for lawyers, but painting all zionists with the same brush seems kind of excessive. Maybe paraphrasing your entire post, or translating it into the Queen's tongue will show people that it also describes today's so called liberals.
lmao And you don't think this thread started out a wee bit oddly to begin with?

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