New evidence...humans reaching southern Chile 15,000 BP

[MHz]

Back in ancient times they probably had less distractions as we have now. Who knows.

The possibility of Aliens is fascinating though.

How about during the last ice-age people lived closer together for 300,000 years or more and they learned how to get along to the degree that many hands made short work of even the hardest tasks. It is quite possible to get from Africa to the Americas by doing nothing more than building a raft.

 

[DaSleeper]

Great article Bill, thanks for sharing. The BBC has a series running on some PBS stations right now called 'How to Grow a Planet' with Ian Stewart hosting. Another series he did was called 'Rise of the Continents.' Both are outstanding series covering a variety of subjects and the graphics are first class. It is really cool watching our continents journeys over millions of years. I highly recommend both of the too you all.

I'm posting a link cause I still haven't figured out how to post the vid. :roll::lol:

BBC Two - How to Grow a Planet

You can't post those...

But these can be posted, but better seen on YouTube full screen

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=How to Grow a Planet &search=Search

 

[darkbeaver]

I have no doubt that if we could figure out how some things were done, we could replicate the deeds. All you are saying basically is that we modern humans do not know everything that ancient peoples did. It is hardly a shocking revelation.

Well yes, if we could figure out how things were done we could repeat them, of course. Bill knows or is convinced that he knows. But that isn't all I've said though. I have said that we modern humans do not represent the highest development of humans thus far on this planet and until we can duplicate just the construction we ill not be able to claim that attainment. As odd as it seems we in this age are still quite backward when the evidence of past monumental engineering feats are takin into consideration. I suspect that holds true for more than a few other sciences and arts. There is absolutely no evidence that we are advanced beyond what was already reality many thousands of years ago. We are left to assume that this so. Something like climate change could erase all our advances beyond the hunter gatherer stage in a few generations.

 

[Ludlow]

How about during the last ice-age people lived closer together for 300,000 years or more and they learned how to get along to the degree that many hands made short work of even the hardest tasks. It is quite possible to get from Africa to the Americas by doing nothing more than building a raft.

I dunno man that ocean looks pretty damn rough during storms those waves look like mountains.

 

[darkbeaver]

So who did it.

We humans did these things. We have been arround for a very long time.

 

[Ludlow]

We humans did these things. We have been arround for a very long time.

I guess I'm not getting your point then but that's okay. Like Norman Thayer Jr. my mind is going so it'll all be new to me. .

 

[darkbeaver]

You don't think humans were capable of scribing stones together? I can scribe a piece of wood to precisely fit against a jagged stone fireplace.

I own a stone pit, schist mostly, and I have sat on my *** for hours with the best rock hammer and chisels and tried to make a brick, it ain't easy. I had intentions of fashioning a small pyramid for my final resting place. I will have to use a pine box afterall.

 

[bill barilko]

Aliens my stinking bunghole

How to move monster sized stones by yourself.

 

[darkbeaver]

Aliens my stinking bunghole

How to move monster sized stones by yourself.

Get real Bill there's hundreds of crackpot flicks complete with dramatic sound tracks and yaking clowns. Show me the modern buildings we can produce with the information you say you were a party to. I know you can't and won't.

 

[Mowich]

I dunno man that ocean looks pretty damn rough during storms those waves look like mountains.

A friend of mine supports a theory that people could very well have traveled along the edge of the ice sheet from one continent to another. The ocean would have provided them with plenty of food.

I own a stone pit, schist mostly, and I have sat on my *** for hours with the best rock hammer and chisels and tried to make a brick, it ain't easy. I had intentions of fashioning a small pyramid for my final resting place. I will have to use a pine box afterall.

You should find another stone pit preferably one with softer stone. :smile:

 

[Ludlow]

Aliens my stinking bunghole

How to move monster sized stones by yourself.

Perhaps some perfume in your sitz bath may help with that problem,

 

[MHz]

Perhaps many tried and only a few made it.

 

[gerryh]

How do you know?

The electric universe told him.

 

[Cliffy]

One thing I have learned from talking to archaeologists is that the public knows only a tiny fraction of what is known and is usually about 25 years behind. To even begin to have a clue one has to go far beyond magazine and newspaper articles and research archaeological studies at the source. Few people know that 10 years ago the remains of pygmy horses along side stone hand tools were found in a cave off the west coast of Haida Guaii 150 feet below sea level.

The point is that we are discovering new information every day that pushes human occupation in the Americas further and further into antiquity. There is a site that have been dated to 33 thousand years, and one site in Mexico that was dated by geologists to 250 thousand years that was discovered in the 30s and was kept under wraps because it didn't fit into the Bering Straight land bridge theory. Anyway, I recommend that people research the Smithsonian web site before jumping all over the Beav as most don't really know any more than the average Joe what the facts are.

 

[darkbeaver]

Baalbek 1200 hundred tons, some in the foundation are said to be a bit bigger. We don't see this kind of work much anymore.

Cliffy they been blathering on about that bloody Siberian ice bridge for a hundred years and about Africa and Richard Leakys silly idea of the oldovi gorge being the first place human ancestors occupied. They know fuk all about our origins or where we're going.

The rope to pull that chunk would weigh all most as much.

 

[Cliffy]

Also, reports that I have seen say that the earliest sites were occupied by ancestors of the Australian Aborigines and Polynesians not Africans. It is known in archaeological circles that humans were capable of sea travel 60 thousand years ago.

 

[bill barilko]

The Good News is that the notoriously limited usual suspects here-we all know who they are-can now visit the ruins without leaving the basement this is exactly what they need because they sure as hell will never travel to see any ruins and the reasons aren't just financial.

 

[AnnaG]

Great article Bill, thanks for sharing. The BBC has a series running on some PBS stations right now called 'How to Grow a Planet' with Ian Stewart hosting. Another series he did was called 'Rise of the Continents.' Both are outstanding series covering a variety of subjects and the graphics are first class. It is really cool watching our continents journeys over millions of years. I highly recommend both of the too you all.

I'm posting a link cause I still haven't figured out how to post the vid. :roll::lol:

BBC Two - How to Grow a Planet

Oh, I forgot about that continent one. Great stuff. And thanks, we will watch "How to Grow a Planet" for sure.

And I almost forgot about this: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-did-humans-come-to-the-americas-4209273/?no-ist

How about during the last ice-age people lived closer together for 300,000 years or more and they learned how to get along to the degree that many hands made short work of even the hardest tasks.

That is how neighbours used to build entire barns in a single day.

It is quite possible to get from Africa to the Americas by doing nothing more than building a raft.

That has been done at least once. And, as a matter of fact, that is likely how monkeys got to South America from Africa as well.

Well yes, if we could figure out how things were done we could repeat them, of course. Bill knows or is convinced that he knows. But that isn't all I've said though. I have said that we modern humans do not represent the highest development of humans thus far on this planet and until we can duplicate just the construction we ill not be able to claim that attainment. As odd as it seems we in this age are still quite backward when the evidence of past monumental engineering feats are takin into consideration. I suspect that holds true for more than a few other sciences and arts. There is absolutely no evidence that we are advanced beyond what was already reality many thousands of years ago. We are left to assume that this so. Something like climate change could erase all our advances beyond the hunter gatherer stage in a few generations.

True enough, but as I said, once someone can figure out how something was done, I am sure we could replicate the deed. And there is the matter of priorities. Is it THAT important that we figure it out as soon as possible?
Anyways, I am not sure if it is still on, but there was a tv show where a group of people (anthropologists and engineers or whatever) were taking on tasks of figuring out how to build working models of things like trebuchets and other structures.

OThere is a site that have been dated to 33 thousand years, and one site in Mexico that was dated by geologists to 250 thousand years that was discovered in the 30s and was kept under wraps because it didn't fit into the Bering Straight land bridge theory.

That would be interesting. There are lots of postulations around and some frauds such as The Calaveras Skull issue. I never did carry on in the field of anthropology after I got my BSc but I read stuff a lot. The field produces huge amounts of conjectures about a huge variety of topics. Movement of verification and the like is therefore quite slow as is actual discovery. It is a job of finding evidence enough to form a decent hypothesis to begin with. Then the search for more evidence goes from there.

This may be interesting to some folks: Archaeology Magazine - Hoaxes, Fakes, and Strange Sites - Archaeology Magazine Archive

Also, reports that I have seen say that the earliest sites were occupied by ancestors of the Australian Aborigines and Polynesians not Africans. It is known in archaeological circles that humans were capable of sea travel 60 thousand years ago.

Well, I can believe 16,000 years ago as the first "ships" were built around 8000 BCE, but 60,000 is pushing it especially for long voyages extending beyond a few days. Crossing a lake or poling across a river is one thing, ocean travel quite another.

 

[Ludlow]

Oh, I forgot about that continent one. Great stuff. And thanks, we will watch "How to Grow a Planet" for sure.

And I almost forgot about this: When Did Humans Come to the Americas? | Science | Smithsonian

That is how neighbours used to build entire barns in a single day. That has been done at least once. And, as a matter of fact, that is likely how monkeys got to South America from Africa as well.

True enough, but as I said, once someone can figure out how something was done, I am sure we could replicate the deed. And there is the matter of priorities. Is it THAT important that we figure it out as soon as possible?
Anyways, I am not sure if it is still on, but there was a tv show where a group of people (anthropologists and engineers or whatever) were taking on tasks of figuring out how to build working models of things like trebuchets and other structures.

That would be interesting. There are lots of postulations around and some frauds such as The Calaveras Skull issue. I never did carry on in the field of anthropology after I got my BSc but I read stuff a lot. The field produces huge amounts of conjectures about a huge variety of topics. Movement of verification and the like is therefore quite slow as is actual discovery. It is a job of finding evidence enough to form a decent hypothesis to begin with. Then the search for more evidence goes from there.

This may be interesting to some folks: Archaeology Magazine - Hoaxes, Fakes, and Strange Sites - Archaeology Magazine Archive

Well, I can believe 16,000 years ago as the first "ships" were built around 8000 BCE, but 60,000 is pushing it especially for long voyages extending beyond a few days. Crossing a lake or poling across a river is one thing, ocean travel quite another.

Watching that movie "a perfect storm" would tend to make one believe that a rickety old boat made of wood and sails would be hard pressed to make it a few miles on the open ocean. Interesting thoughts though on mans ingenuity.

 

[darkbeaver]

The Good News is that the notoriously limited usual suspects here-we all know who they are-can now visit the ruins without leaving the basement this is exactly what they need because they sure as hell will never travel to see any ruins and the reasons aren't just financial.

This was a good idea for a thread Bill, but you should try to keep in mind the multitude of other thoughts and opinions that something as interesting as ancient building techniques will spawn. I have had an interest in this stuff for fifty years, I'm not an expert but I'm not inclined to take the established thinking too seriously. I have never had the chance or the money to see the wonders of the world maybe next year maybe not. cheers