New Brunswick Premier says Energy East Pipeline would benefit Quebec

[Curious Cdn]

We all get our petroleum from the Gulf of Mexico, here in Eastern Canada (and beyond). It it almost certainly far less less expensive to bring it in by supertanker up the East Coast (or even in existing pipeline) than to pump it "over the hump" in the middle of Canada. This will likely result in Easterners paying more for that energy.

I can remember, not that very long ago when Western Canada had no interest in supplying the East with petroleum. The target market was exclusively the US. Suddenly, the US doesn't want the export pipeline that delivers cheap, safe petroleum right to their doorstep and it is suddenly the patriotic duty of Eastern Canada to take Western oil. It may really be our duty to do so, I don't argue that point but the on again-off again take our energy now-freeze in the dark attitudes in the West do not help your marketing case. Here they are again. Quebec is a bad guy because ...............(fill in this week's reason) Ontario is hateful because ,..........(attach extra paper). It doesn't sell your cause very well.

 

[davesmom]

We all get our petroleum from the Gulf of Mexico, here in Eastern Canada (and beyond). It it almost certainly far less less expensive to bring it in by supertanker up the East Coast (or even in existing pipeline) than to pump it "over the hump" in the middle of Canada. This will likely result in Easterners paying more for that energy.

I can remember, not that very long ago when Western Canada had no interest in supplying the East with petroleum. The target market was exclusively the US. Suddenly, the US doesn't want the export pipeline that delivers cheap, safe petroleum right to their doorstep and it is suddenly the patriotic duty of Eastern Canada to take Western oil. It may really be our duty to do so, I don't argue that point but the on again-off again take our energy now-freeze in the dark attitudes in the West do not help your marketing case. Here they are again. Quebec is a bad guy because ...............(fill in this week's reason) Ontario is hateful because ,..........(attach extra paper). It doesn't sell your cause very well.

You say petroleum from the Gulf of Mexico is less expensive, then you say Western oil is cheap, safe and 'delivered right to their doorstep if it went to the U.S. Well it would still be cheap, safe and 'delivered right to their doorstep if it went through Quebec.
Alberta has paid more than its share into other Provinces and now that they need help all they get is attitude. Great unity there!


The West was still pouring millions of $s into the Provinces while it was saying freeze in the dark. So what's the beef?

Quebec has always been the 'bad guy'! Canada has made so many concessions to Quebec more than other Provinces it's downright embarrassing. They got the French language official, which costs manufacturers millions, inhibits intelligent, innovative people from filling crucial positions, costs the Education system dearly and all for no good reason than to bolster Quebekers egos. They got to run their Province with their own rules, different from the rest of Canada, the worst of which is disallowing English to be written/spoken. They got to be named 'a Nation with a Nation'; another ego booster. They received transfer payments in the Billions whether they needed it or not. Shall I go on?
Quebekers just never could deal with the fact that they lost the war! And they've been sucking the rest of Canada dry for decades through the apologist politicians buying votes.
If there is a Province that deserves to 'freeze in the dark', it's Quebec!

 

[Curious Cdn]

You say petroleum from the Gulf of Mexico is less expensive, then you say Western oil is cheap, safe and 'delivered right to their doorstep if it went to the U.S. Well it would still be cheap, safe and 'delivered right to their doorstep if it went through Quebec.
Alberta has paid more than its share into other Provinces and now that they need help all they get is attitude. Great unity there!


The West was still pouring millions of $s into the Provinces while it was saying freeze in the dark. So what's the beef?

Quebec has always been the 'bad guy'! Canada has made so many concessions to Quebec more than other Provinces it's downright embarrassing. They got the French language official, which costs manufacturers millions, inhibits intelligent, innovative people from filling crucial positions, costs the Education system dearly and all for no good reason than to bolster Quebekers egos. They got to run their Province with their own rules, different from the rest of Canada, the worst of which is disallowing English to be written/spoken. They got to be named 'a Nation with a Nation'; another ego booster. They received transfer payments in the Billions whether they needed it or not. Shall I go on?
Quebekers just never could deal with the fact that they lost the war! And they've been sucking the rest of Canada dry for decades through the apologist politicians buying votes.
If there is a Province that deserves to 'freeze in the dark', it's Quebec!

Money, money money that is all that Canada is, eh? Ontario has poured countless billions into transfers to every other province from the beginning until 2008, when a soaring dollar wiped out 300,000 jobs, there. Love Quebec, hate Quebec Canada will not survive their leaving.

 

[captain morgan]

We all get our petroleum from the Gulf of Mexico, here in Eastern Canada (and beyond). It it almost certainly far less less expensive to bring it in by supertanker up the East Coast (or even in existing pipeline) than to pump it "over the hump" in the middle of Canada. This will likely result in Easterners paying more for that energy.

That is damned hilarious.

A lot of the crude refined in the Gulf Coast comes from Venezuela from the Orinoco oilsands basin (shudder).

As for sending it by tanker from the GC and up the Eastern seaboard, only to be transferred to Eastern Canada is not cheaper in the medium and long runs, only a fool would believe such, but then again, maybe you also think that moving grain from Sask is cheaper to do by a fleet of sub-compact cars as opposed to rail because the cost of the rail lines.

I can remember, not that very long ago when Western Canada had no interest in supplying the East with petroleum. The target market was exclusively the US. Suddenly, the US doesn't want the export pipeline that delivers cheap, safe petroleum right to their doorstep and it is suddenly the patriotic duty of Eastern Canada to take Western oil. It may really be our duty to do so, I don't argue that point but the on again-off again take our energy now-freeze in the dark attitudes in the West do not help your marketing case. Here they are again. Quebec is a bad guy because ...............(fill in this week's reason) Ontario is hateful because ,..........(attach extra paper). It doesn't sell your cause very well.

Had you even the smallest amount of knowledge in this area, you'd be embarrassed and humiliated to make these ridiculous statements.

PS - your memory is for sh*t

Money, money money that is all that Canada is, eh? Ontario has poured countless billions into transfers to every other province from the beginning until 2008, when a soaring dollar wiped out 300,000 jobs, there. Love Quebec, hate Quebec Canada will not survive their leaving.

Funny how it shouldn't be about money when you're on the receiving end of the transaction..... Really easy to speak in the language of cliches and idealisms when it doesn't cost you anything

 

[davesmom]

Money, money money that is all that Canada is, eh? Ontario has poured countless billions into transfers to every other province from the beginning until 2008, when a soaring dollar wiped out 300,000 jobs, there. Love Quebec, hate Quebec Canada will not survive their leaving.

The whole world is about money, money, money now. That's why everything's in such an unholy mess! Everybody the world over is looking for prosperity and dominance and not caring a hoot about PEOPLE.

Canada would survive quite nicely without Quebec. In fact would probably do much better without the whining, manipulating lot!
But if they were cut loose the government would still make concessions, let them use our currency, depend on our security forces, et.
Quebec wants to belong to France but France doesn't want them. I wish Canada would kick them out and let them sink or swim on their own! Maybe we'd even get a fairer government if Quebec wasn't hogging so many electoral ridings!

 

[Curious Cdn]

That is damned hilarious.

A lot of the crude refined in the Gulf Coast comes from Venezuela from the Orinoco oilsands basin (shudder).

As for sending it by tanker from the GC and up the Eastern seaboard, only to be transferred to Eastern Canada is not cheaper in the medium and long runs, only a fool would believe such, but then again, maybe you also think that moving grain from Sask is cheaper to do by a fleet of sub-compact cars as opposed to rail because the cost of the rail lines.



Had you even the smallest amount of knowledge in this area, you'd be embarrassed and humiliated to make these ridiculous statements.

PS - your memory is for sh*t



Funny how it shouldn't be about money when you're on the receiving end of the transaction..... Really easy to speak in the language of cliches and idealisms when it doesn't cost you anything

Funny how when a place pays the largest share, by far, for decades, to every other province, Alberta included, and then has a disaster strike them they are suddenly bums that should do what they are told.

 

[B00Mer]

I still think Alberta should just join the USA... when Trump becomes President.

 

[Jinentonix]

I still think Alberta should just join the USA... when Trump becomes President.

You seem to be in a real hurry to join a rapidly declining "empire".

 

[captain morgan]

Funny how when a place pays the largest share, by far, for decades, to every other province, Alberta included, and then has a disaster strike them they are suddenly bums that should do what they are told.

Ummm, largest share suggests a per capita analysis.

... Still interested in taking this line?

Tell ya what, take a look at the total net contributions by each province, adjust for inflation and do the per capita thingy.

Get back when you do such, m'kay.
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Regardless of the above ~ that's yesterday's news and you or I pissing and moaning about the past don't change a thing. The only discussion that should be going on now is if Canada wants to take advantage of the resources throughout the nation for the benefit of all.

You don't want a P/L 'cause it's cheaper to float dozens of tankers each day, year over year over year, 1/2 way around the continent as opposed to a p/l then there's not much to say until you get your head around some very basic principles of finance and economics.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I still think Alberta should just join the USA... when Trump becomes President.

Feel alienated?

They won't give a sh1t if asny of you live or die. Probably, less than 10 % of the US even know that you exist. Far less than that would care. The old "We're rich because we pump money out of the ground, so WORSHIP US, BEGGING PEASANTS!!!" WILL NOT WASH AT ALL with the Americans. The best that you can hope for is to be the brunt of late night television jokes if you pulled that crap with them.

 

[Locutus]

what ho progs?

https://twitter.com/manningcentre/status/690246451151040517

 

[JamesBondo]

It is obvious to me that consumers can benefit from more options ànd more choices. Markets are always less friendly when a resource comes from a single source.

 

[petros]

If they called it an oléoduc everything would be fine.

This wouldn't have happened if there was a pipeline.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You would think that after Les Megantic that a Montreal Mayor would weigh the pro's and con's of a pipeline vs train subjectively....

Lac Megantic. I have two friends there, one being El Barto.

 

[petros]

Sherwood Rd north of Evraz?

High grade Regina made steel. 100% recycled.

 

[JLM]

Lac Megantic. I have two friends there, one being El Barto.

We should get El Barto's A$$ back here- he was one of the more sensible posters!

Awwww, whatsa matter pumpkin?

You still upset with something that was said 30 years ago?

PS - You do get your energy from Western Canada ~ you're just not smart enough to understand that it is pl/'d down to the States first, upgraded and then sold at a premium back to you.

Stick to what you know like residential siding installation



This is what that program looks like in Montreal

Beautiful, just beautiful!

 

[tay]

Contenders for the Republican presidential nomination all favour the Keystone XL pipeline project now on hold thanks to president Obama. Trump, naturally, has gotten aboard only with a few extra stipulations.

“I want 25 per cent of the deal for the United States. They’re going to make a fortune,” he on Sunday. On Saturday, he said he would ask for “25 per cent of the profits forever.”

Trump, campaigning as an economic nationalist, said he wants the pipeline approved. But he said TransCanada should not be allowed to send Canadian oil through American land—“ “through farmland and through cities and wherever the hell they’re going” — without paying a hefty price.

“When they do this pipeline, it’s going to be a very profitable thing and it’s really Canada oil coming down — so it’s not — I like Canada, I want these people to be happy, but I want the developers of the pipeline to give the United States a big, big chunk of the profits or even ownership rights, like I do in business. That’s what I do,” he said.

a "big chunk of the profits or even ownership rights" - I'll bet that has Denis Coderre's ears buzzing ....


Keystone talk starts at 49 minute mark.......


www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaZ245EZGOw

 

[mentalfloss]

So, like, a carbon tax lol

 

[Cannuck]

He's an economic genious, that's for sure.

 

[taxslave]

Money, money money that is all that Canada is, eh? Ontario has poured countless billions into transfers to every other province from the beginning until 2008, when a soaring dollar wiped out 300,000 jobs, there. Love Quebec, hate Quebec Canada will not survive their leaving.

Ontario has stolen from the west since before confederation. The dollar had very little to do with the downfall in manufacturing. Mostly it was government policy and unions. It simply became cheaper to manufacture in other locations.

Quebec doesn't need a pipeline. They have trudOwe and transfer payments.