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petros

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A very intelligent man. I don't like to use the phrase "ahead of his time" for someone who looks to the natural world for answers.
 

karrie

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Actually, it is. There's nothing in real homeopathic remedies, they've been diluted down so much there's almost certain to be no active ingredient left.

Homeopathy saved me from a C section. Fantasy or not it did what the docs couldn't do.
 

Dexter Sinister

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With respect to homeopathic dilutions the active ingredient (water memory) is unrecognized by the hardcore materialist.
That's because there's no evidence it exists. Your link, and the one to the long video about boundary phenomena at hydrophilic and hydrophobic surfaces (yes, I did watch it), do not support the claim that it does, that's quite a different thing. If you're going to claim it exists, you have to explain why it's so selective, it remembers only what the homeopath has put into it and then diluted out of existence, not any of the other substances it's been in contact with in its multiple trips through the hydrologic cycle. And you'd also have to explain things like why you can't make a homeopathic preparation from insulin and use it to control diabetics' blood sugar levels. Homeopathy is a pure placebo effect, which is not to say it doesn't work, the placebo effect can be very powerful in certain circumstances, but that's all it is. Any other claims for it are fraudulent.
 

petros

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That's because there's no evidence it exists. Your link, and the one to the long video about boundary phenomena at hydrophilic and hydrophobic surfaces (yes, I did watch it), do not support the claim that it does, that's quite a different thing. If you're going to claim it exists, you have to explain why it's so selective, it remembers only what the homeopath has put into it and then diluted out of existence, not any of the other substances it's been in contact with in its multiple trips through the hydrologic cycle. And you'd also have to explain things like why you can't make a homeopathic preparation from insulin and use it to control diabetics' blood sugar levels. Homeopathy is a pure placebo effect, which is not to say it doesn't work, the placebo effect can be very powerful in certain circumstances, but that's all it is. Any other claims for it are fraudulent.
Nothing special about water at all eh? Ever seen a "water witch" at work? Go 5 days without and tell me water has no amazing qualities that are neessary for life.


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darkbeaver

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That's because there's no evidence it exists. Your link, and the one to the long video about boundary phenomena at hydrophilic and hydrophobic surfaces (yes, I did watch it), do not support the claim that it does, that's quite a different thing. If you're going to claim it exists, you have to explain why it's so selective, it remembers only what the homeopath has put into it and then diluted out of existence, not any of the other substances it's been in contact with in its multiple trips through the hydrologic cycle. And you'd also have to explain things like why you can't make a homeopathic preparation from insulin and use it to control diabetics' blood sugar levels. Homeopathy is a pure placebo effect, which is not to say it doesn't work, the placebo effect can be very powerful in certain circumstances, but that's all it is. Any other claims for it are fraudulent.

There is no evidence for love.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Nothing special about water at all eh?
Sure there is, I didn't claim otherwise.
Ever seen a "water witch" at work?
Yes. There's no substance to dowsing either. Properly controlled tests of homeopathy and dowsing fail. Every time, no exceptions.


This might interest you guys, though with your apparent inability to separate pseudoscience from science you'll probably just dismiss it as more corruption from the scientific establishment.

http://www.chem1.com/CQ/gallery.html
 

darkbeaver

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One may only come to true science through pseudoscience. Cleaning wheat is accomplished in this manner also. "Scientific establishment" is an oxymoron. Facts may be established, science never sleeps.
 

Unforgiven

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One may only come to true science through pseudoscience. Cleaning wheat is accomplished in this manner also. "Scientific establishment" is an oxymoron. Facts may be established, science never sleeps.

Know when to put the coffee enema down dude! :canada:
 

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If you're going to claim it exists, you have to explain why it's so selective, it remembers only what the homeopath has put into it and then diluted out of existence, not any of the other substances it's been in contact with in its multiple trips through the hydrologic cycle.

Two thirds of the water in our bodies is intra-cellular...and the workings of cells relies heavily on hydrophilic and hydrophobic interactions. Yes, I'd be interested on how healthy cells weaken and die during illness and disorder if this phenomenon that Beaver's link speculates on actually exists.
 

darkbeaver

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Two thirds of the water in our bodies is intra-cellular...and the workings of cells relies heavily on hydrophilic and hydrophobic interactions. Yes, I'd be interested on how healthy cells weaken and die during illness and disorder if this phenomenon that Beaver's link speculates on actually exists.

Dr Pollack among others have demonstrated the phenomenon and repeated it conclusively. Charge separation in water, and current from that same water, just add IR. He's a good speaker too.
Gerald H. Pollack, PhD - Professor of Bioengineering
 

darkbeaver

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From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]V N Tsytovich1,5, G E Morfill2, V E Fortov3, N G Gusein-Zade1, B A Klumov2 and S V Vladimirov4[/FONT]
1 General Physics Institute, Russian Academy of Science, Vavilova str. 38, Moscow, 119991, Russia
2 Max-Planck-Institut für Extraterrestrische Physik, 85740 Garching, Germany
3 Insitute of Physics of Extremal State of Matter, Russian Academy of Science, Moscow, Russia
4 School of Physics, The University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia
5 Author to whom any correspondence should be addressed.
E-mail: tsyto@mpe.mpg.de
Received 19 April 2007
Published 14 August 2007

Abstract. Complex plasmas may naturally self-organize themselves into stable interacting helical structures that exhibit features normally attributed to organic living matter. The self-organization is based on non-trivial physical mechanisms of plasma interactions involving over-screening of plasma polarization. As a result, each helical string composed of solid microparticles is topologically and dynamically controlled by plasma fluxes leading to particle charging and over-screening, the latter providing attraction even among helical strings of the same charge sign. These interacting complex structures exhibit thermodynamic and evolutionary features thought to be peculiar only to living matter such as bifurcations that serve as `memory marks', self-duplication, metabolic rates in a thermodynamically open system, and non-Hamiltonian dynamics. We examine the salient features of this new complex `state of soft matter' in light of the autonomy, evolution, progenity and autopoiesis principles used to define life. It is concluded that complex self-organized plasma structures exhibit all the necessary properties to qualify them as candidates for inorganic living matter that may exist in space provided certain conditions allow them to evolve naturally.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1367-2630/9/8/263/fulltext