NDP recordings proof of power grab, Tory MP alleges

[Andem]

Why does the NDP scare the hell out of you Andem?

Because each and every one of their policies are detrimental to both Canadian society, but more importantly in the short-term, the economy. They want to raise corporate taxes, a move which would be suicide in our economic situation. They also have a history of destroying everything they govern -- remember Ontario under Bob Rae?

ps. Bob Rae as leader of the libs would be suicide for the liberal party.

 

[scratch]

Bob Rae....not a GOOD IDEA....Justin much better.

New blood and much more savvy!

regs,
scratch

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Cutting off public funding meant a higher loss to the conservatives then it did to the other parties. Of course the liberals were anxious to be in power. If they were not there would not have been any meetings regarding a coalition.

Islandpacific, whether cutting off public funding (or indeed, any other measure in the financial statement) was justified or not is beside the point. Opposition parties obviously feel very strongly about it, as they do about banning unions from striking, about economic stimulus etc.

The point is, Harper is in no position to dictate terms, he only has a minority. He should have consulted opposition parties before putting out the financial statement. He probably calculated that since Liberals are not ready to govern, he could bring forth just about anything he wants and get away with it.

He obviously miscalculated. And I don’t think Liberals are anxious to be back in power. They probably would be, after they have elected a leader, but not right now. I think they (rightly or wrongly) feel that they don’t have any other choice, that Harper’s actions have forced this course of action upon Liberals.

Liberals would much rather get their leadership election out of the way first, before they start think of assuming power. But I think this is what made Harper overconfident, made him think he could do anything he wanted and get away with it; there is nobody to oppose him.

Remember how he used to taunt Liberals in the last Parliament when they wouldn’t vote against him? Well, Harper started believing his own rhetoric, he really thought that he could govern like a dictator; opposition will just roll over and play dead.

He did win the election in a sense; he got to form the government. It was his job to be gracious in victory, to reach out to other parties, to engage in consultations. He decided to act like a dictator, he brought this upon himself. He has only himself to blame for the fiscal, nobody else.

 

[lone wolf]

Because each and every one of their policies are detrimental to both Canadian society, but more importantly in the short-term, the economy. They want to raise corporate taxes, a move which would be suicide in our economic situation. They also have a history of destroying everything they govern -- remember Ontario under Bob Rae?

ps. Bob Rae as leader of the libs would be suicide for the liberal party.

Do you remember Ontario under Mike Harris? Golf courses did well. Regular working people didn't....

 

[scratch]

Very true ... lone..

 

[Colpy]

Cutting off public funding meant a higher loss to the conservatives then it did to the other parties. Of course the liberals were anxious to be in power. If they were not there would not have been any meetings regarding a coalition.

Islandpacific, whether cutting off public funding (or indeed, any other measure in the financial statement) was justified or not is beside the point. Opposition parties obviously feel very strongly about it, as they do about banning unions from striking, about economic stimulus etc.

The point is, Harper is in no position to dictate terms, he only has a minority. He should have consulted opposition parties before putting out the financial statement. He probably calculated that since Liberals are not ready to govern, he could bring forth just about anything he wants and get away with it.

He obviously miscalculated. And I don’t think Liberals are anxious to be back in power. They probably would be, after they have elected a leader, but not right now. I think they (rightly or wrongly) feel that they don’t have any other choice, that Harper’s actions have forced this course of action upon Liberals.

Liberals would much rather get their leadership election out of the way first, before they start think of assuming power. But I think this is what made Harper overconfident, made him think he could do anything he wanted and get away with it; there is nobody to oppose him.

Remember how he used to taunt Liberals in the last Parliament when they wouldn’t vote against him? Well, Harper started believing his own rhetoric, he really thought that he could govern like a dictator; opposition will just roll over and play dead.

He did win the election in a sense; he got to form the government. It was his job to be gracious in victory, to reach out to other parties, to engage in consultations. He decided to act like a dictator, he brought this upon himself. He has only himself to blame for the fiscal, nobody else.

The economic update was just that.....a minor announcement, up for debate and revision, it wasn't even a bill.

The Opposition already had the coalition idea loaded..........what pulled the trigger was Harper's announcement he was going to cut all gov't subsidies to political parties.......

If you go back to the first of this debate, you will find that move was the one most discussed.....then it occured to the opposition that commiting vandalism in the House because they were being pulled off the public tit might not go over well with the public.....and then they discovered the lact of a huge hole in which to throw our money....outside of Quebec, that is.

 

[lone wolf]

The economic update was just that.....a minor announcement, up for debate and revision, it wasn't even a bill.

The Opposition already had the coalition idea loaded..........what pulled the trigger was Harper's announcement he was going to cut all gov't subsidies to political parties.......

If you go back to the first of this debate, you will find that move was the one most discussed.....then it occured to the opposition that commiting vandalism in the House because they were being pulled off the public tit might not go over well with the public.....and then they discovered the lact of a huge hole in which to throw our money....outside of Quebec, that is.

I'm inclined to believe it was more of the same Harper arrogant belligerance that cost him his last term. Of course, it couldn't happen ... unless it happened TO him.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The Opposition already had the coalition idea loaded..........what pulled the trigger was Harper's announcement he was going to cut all gov't subsidies to political parties.......

I don’t think so, Colpy, NDP and Bloc may have discussed the idea a few months ago, but I don’t think they were serious about it. And liberals certainly weren’t involved until after the financial statement. How could they, they are preoccupied with the leadership race. They are not in a position to do anything until they have a leader.

I think it was the financial statement that was the trigger. The opposition parties were so incensed by it (again, rightly or wrongly, I don’t know who is right in this issue, I do know that the optics looked very bad for Conservatives) that the unthinkable happened, the three opposition parties got together.

As somebody said on television, first Harper united the right, now he is uniting the left.

 

[Tyr]

The Opposition already had the coalition idea loaded..........what pulled the trigger was Harper's announcement he was going to cut all gov't subsidies to political parties.......

It was a bit of cutting the funding (which woke them up from their perpetual daze) and alot of the insane economic stimulus package.

Canada was the only G-20 country to actually propose a "constricted" stimulus package. Any mental midget (Flaherty?) who took Economics 101 would know that is the exact oppisite of what should be done.

In Harper's neirotic belief that he could not post a deficit (there was no real way around that), he tried to constrict the economy.

He forgot the cardinal rule. Will and well-being of the populace FIRST, party politics, policy (petty machavellian moves) SECOND.

He'll get turfed. We'll have an election come summer and he'll be back with a smaller minority.

Same-'ol'same='ol

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Harper

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Holy Cripe Sock.... How much mileage can you get out of one post? It's not like it wasn't seen on the other five threads....

Good day LW, I thing that it is a worthy little clip.....................

 

[Socrates the Greek]

There is a new movie in the making called - The Cons are burning - and more than 50% of Canadians find this environment scary and amusing to see the party they did not vote for, Harper will be 95% out of the top job come December 8 Monday, should the Harper Cons prorogue parliament, the coalition will have even more ammunition put together, that if not on this Monday in the next 2 years the coalition will be watching close for the next opportunity on an empty net, and for sure looking at these dysfunctional Harper idiots they will embarrasse them self down the road and we may see the non confidence vote kick in this time for real. One thing is for sure after all these has taken place is that the stage has been set Harper will not survive the next term, he will be remove both from the top job as well as leader of the Cons.

 

[Risus]

Bob Rae....not a GOOD IDEA....Justin much better.

New blood and much more savvy!

regs,
scratch

How do you know how much savvy he has? Has he even opened his mouth in the House of Commons????

 

[Risus]

There is a new movie in the making called - The Cons are burning - and more than 50% of Canadians find this environment scary and amusing to see the party they did not vote for, Harper will be 95% out of the top job come December 8 Monday, should the Harper Cons prorogue parliament, the coalition will have even more ammunition put together, that if not on this Monday in the next 2 years the coalition will be watching close for the next opportunity on an empty net, and for sure looking at these dysfunctional Harper idiots they will embarrasse them self down the road and we may see the non confidence vote kick in this time for real. One thing is for sure after all these has taken place is that the stage has been set Harper will not survive the next term, he will be remove both from the top job as well as leader of the Cons.

Soc, start getting serious about this. Public opinion is supporting the Conservatives in this mess. liberals are even turning on dion. The Conservatives should prorogue the parliament until the new year and start with the budget. If there was a non confidence motion (and I don't believe it will go that far) the GG will most likely send the three stooges back to the house and tell one and all to work it out. The stooges have shown their stupidity in giving the government only a few days before they went off half cocked.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Soc, start getting serious about this. Public opinion is supporting the Conservatives in this mess. liberals are even turning on dion. The Conservatives should prorogue the parliament until the new year and start with the budget. If there was a non confidence motion (and I don't believe it will go that far) the GG will most likely send the three stooges back to the house and tell one and all to work it out. The stooges have shown their stupidity in giving the government only a few days before they went off half cocked.

The Jeannie is out of the bottle, the coalition in place is bad news for the cheating Cons, and guess what Harper cannot tell the coalition to dismantle them self’s he has no authority over the opposition. The only authority Harper thought he had was to starve them for cash and thus creating for him self an easier way to push things through in the house his crap, but that came back top haunt Harper and haunt it did, only because he chose to declare war on the opposition when in fact the Liberals were the once to put in place Harpers $1.95 per vote..... So the Liberals put it in place, Harper wants to be the only one benefiting from it. Well oh well Harper will go down because of that and because the Canadian people were place in lesser priority then his thug like tactics. And now they are talking about democratic rule, what f garbage coming out of a stupid Cons mouth.

Harper