NDP First Nations bill shows the party’s struggle to appear credible

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The NDP's Apartheid Ruminations

If there were a referendum in Canada, asking whether all citizens should be treated equally or whether one group should have extraordinary powers and hold a veto over everyone else's wishes, how might that vote turn out?

One thus has to wonder why Thomas Mulcair and the NDP are toying around with the idea of a future Canada divided along ethnic lines?

John Ivison examines the strange happenings in the NDP "braintrust" in Ottawa. He also discusses the issue with Charles Adler. David Akin and Brian Lilley also discuss it here.


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The debate within the NDP has long been about whether it should seek to govern or remain the moral conscience of the nation.

Tom Mulcair seemed to have resolved the internal struggle with his attempt to transform the New Democrats into a credible alternative to the Conservatives. But that assumption may be premature — on the native file at least, the NDP leader has decided to play the role of Robin Hood, rather than Prime Minister-in-waiting.

How else to explain his backing for Romeo Saganash’s private member’s bill that calls for full implementation of the 2007 UN Declaration on Indigenous Rights?

Phil Fontaine, the then National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations, said the Conservative government’s refusal to sign it then was perplexing, since it risked staining Canada’s reputation over what was a purely “aspirational,” non-binding document.

But Jim Prentice, then Aboriginal Affairs minister, was adamant: “To say it is only aspirational overlooks the fact that it contains a number of inconsistencies with Canadian law and policy,” he said.

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[captain morgan]

Another example of the UN working feverishly to appear 'relevant' on the world stage.

What I find interesting is that the UN has been careful to not wade into China, Asia and Europe that has highly documented examples of the borders moving time after time.

Hypocrites

 

[Nuggler]

Another example of the UN working feverishly to appear 'relevant' on the world stage.

What I find interesting is that the UN has been careful to not wade into China, Asia and Europe that has highly documented examples of the borders moving time after time.

Hypocrites

To say nothing of their sterling role in Rwanda.

 

[captain morgan]

No doubt... They were highly effective in 'observing' the ongoing genocidal activities in the region; mind you, they did leap into action in delivering a harsh scowl and deadly finger-waggling at the perps.

... Must have scared the life out of the murderers - took them right back to being threatened with a wooden spoon by mom for sneaking into the cookie jar without permission.

 

[taxslave]

Some groups have chosen to define "consultation" as veto power. All this " consultation" with the NIMBYs and NOPES does is hurt the economy. Except for two codependent groups. The government employees that produce the road shows and the lefty groups that depend on fundraising from the gullible to pay their excessive salaries and trips to the protest du jour.
ENbridge hearings are a prime example where hearings are being held in Vancouver and Victoria, 500 miles from the nearest pipe.

 

[petros]

They lost all appeal and credibility when they became the NDPQ

 

[taxslave]

They lost all appeal and credibility when they became the NDPQ

I've never known the dippers to have any appeal before and even less credibility.

 

[The Old Medic]

Once again, the Native bashers are coming out of the woodwork.

After all, everyone knows that all Inuit, Native and Métis peoples are each getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in free money every year.

The Government has done everything possible to exterminate them, and their cultures, short of opening up Treblinka West, so why don't we just do that. If we can make one camp, round up all of those pesky people and gas them en mass, we could totally eliminate the problem.

Right?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Seems the issue is that they are Canadian Citizens. If they were not, then the consent could be granted to stuff that affects them. Because they are also Canadian Citizens, this makes this UN declaration silly.

 

[taxslave]

Seems the issue is that they are Canadian Citizens. If they were not, then the consent could be granted to stuff that affects them. Because they are also Canadian Citizens, this makes this UN declaration silly.

Most Ungrateful Nitwits declarations are rather silly.

 

[CDNBear]

Seems the issue is that they are Canadian Citizens.

Who is?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Who is?

The First Nations people. According to the article this means the UN amendment would make all legislation require their consultation. That is the flaw in the UN directive. What they probably meant was they should have a say in legislation specifically aimed at them which I agree with. But the UN resolution is flawed because as Canadian Citizens, this would mean all legislation (assuming the UN legislation is described as in the article).

 

[CDNBear]

The First Nations people.

But they aren't all Canadian Citizens.

And those that are members of Bands that have given up sovereignty, are still protected by the fundamental human right of self determination.

 

[taxslave]

But they aren't all Canadian Citizens.

And those that are members of Bands that have given up sovereignty, are still protected by the fundamental human right of self determination.

Do you know of any that are not canadian citizens? And how they got that way.? I was always under the impression that anyone born in Canada is automatically a Canadian citizen.

 

[CDNBear]

Do you know of any that are not canadian citizens? And how they got that way.? I was always under the impression that anyone born in Canada is automatically a Canadian citizen.

I know several that have never stepped off their reserve. Live virtually hand to mouth as their parents and grandparents had.

I know many that hold Haudenosaunee passports, Canadian drivers licenses, work off res, pay taxes and Consider themselves sovereign Haudenosaunee.

To say that all First Nations are Canadian citizens is as silly and stereotypical as saying they're all drunks.

Oh, and btw, many consider their reservations sovereign territory. Since many reservation predate Canada, let alone Confederacy, I can understand why.

 

[taxslave]

I know several that have never stepped off their reserve. Live virtually hand to mouth as their parents and grandparents had.

I know many that hold Haudenosaunee passports, Canadian drivers licenses, work off res, pay taxes and Consider themselves sovereign Haudenosaunee.

To say that all First Nations are Canadian citizens is as silly and stereotypical as saying they're all drunks.

Oh, and btw, many consider their reservations sovereign territory. Since many reservation predate Canada, let alone Confederacy, I can understand why.

Interesting. I shall have to ask my DiL if anyone from her band feels that way.

 

[CDNBear]

Interesting. I shall have to ask my DiL if anyone from her band feels that way.

Oh I bet she's met a few or knows a few who do.

It can't be a strictly eastern woodlands Injin affectation.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I know several that have never stepped off their reserve. Live virtually hand to mouth as their parents and grandparents had.

I know many that hold Haudenosaunee passports, Canadian drivers licenses, work off res, pay taxes and Consider themselves sovereign Haudenosaunee.

To say that all First Nations are Canadian citizens is as silly and stereotypical as saying they're all drunks.

Oh, and btw, many consider their reservations sovereign territory. Since many reservation predate Canada, let alone Confederacy, I can understand why.

To be honest, I never really gave this much thought. I assumed that reserves were a part of Canada and therefore residents were bound be Canadian law and Canadian citizens. The implications of them not being citizens of Canada are something I have just never considered.

Can a resident of a reserve ask for a Canadian Passport? Can they ask for Canadian citizenship and is that application process any different than somebody moving from another part of the world?

 

[Goober]

But they aren't all Canadian Citizens.

And those that are members of Bands that have given up sovereignty, are still protected by the fundamental human right of self determination.

Those issues will have to be addressed as well as revenue sharing from resources. In BC I think it is or was agreed at 35 % - not sure. No idea as how that 35 is arrived at either.
The SCoC has already ruled that the Govts. Fed and Prov have to consult with FN Peoples regarding a variety issues.
Perhaps the time is approaching for a newer arrangement. More modern and well defined. Each region and each Band has differing issues, different priorities.

 

[CDNBear]

To be honest, I never really gave this much thought. I assumed that reserves were a part of Canada and therefore residents were bound be Canadian law and Canadian citizens. The implications of them not being citizens of Canada are something I have just never considered.

You aren't alone.

And there's another group too, I bet you never really thought of. People like me, caught in the middle.

Can a resident of a reserve ask for a Canadian Passport?

Of course, if they have the required documents.

Although the Haudenosaunee have their own, that until the recent changes in passport tech, were accepted internationally.

Can they ask for Canadian citizenship and is that application process any different than somebody moving from another part of the world?

Would having to apply for a birth certificate count.

My oldest and I were last generations to receive a "Proof of live birth" only.

Now if a native gives birth in a hospital, a birth certificate application is immediately filed.

I have no idea how or why that was or is.

But it's the same way foreign visitors were dealt with if they gave birth here.

Historically, the only thing that made First Nations, Canadians, was an overt act of applying for citizenship, which at one point meant giving up ones status, or if your Band incorporated and gave up all claims to sovereignty, then along came the Indian Act that made all First Nations wards of the state and Canadian citizens, sort of.

It's a mess dude.

Which is why there is no one simple answer.

And I highly suggest you ignore anyone that says otherwise. They're more than likely an idiot.

Oh, and that includes the Un and the NDP.

The SCoC has already ruled that the Govts. Fed and Prov have to consult with FN Peoples regarding a variety issues.

It never materialized in any meaningful way.

In fact many industries began consulting and wooing Bands on their own.

Well the smart ones anyways.