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petros

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About 46 percent of American households will pay no federal individual income tax in 2011, roughly half of them because of structural features of the income tax that provide basic exemptions for subsistence level income and for dependents. The other half are nontaxable because tax expenditures— special provisions of the tax code that benefit selected taxpayers or activities—wipe out tax liabilities and, in the case of refundable credits, result in net payments from the government. Most important of those tax expenditures are provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children. While those factors particularly affect lower-income households, different provisions eliminate taxes for other households. Itemized deductions and credits for children and education are more important for middle-income households, while the relatively few high-income nontaxable households benefit most from above-the-line and itemized deductions and reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf
 

petros

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Google will tell you captain's lying.
No it won't.

Well, I'm sure good ol' cap will try to convince us that Americans don't pay taxes or something similarly absurd.
About 46 percent of American households will pay no federal individual income tax in 2011, roughly half of them because of structural features of the income tax that provide basic exemptions for subsistence level income and for dependents. The other half are nontaxable because tax expenditures— special provisions of the tax code that benefit selected taxpayers or activities—wipe out tax liabilities and, in the case of refundable credits, result in net payments from the government. Most important of those tax expenditures are provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children. While those factors particularly affect lower-income households, different provisions eliminate taxes for other households. Itemized deductions and credits for children and education are more important for middle-income households, while the relatively few high-income nontaxable households benefit most from above-the-line and itemized deductions and reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...Income-Tax.pdf
 

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About 46 percent of American households will pay no federal individual income tax in 2011, roughly half of them because of structural features of the income tax that provide basic exemptions for subsistence level income and for dependents. The other half are nontaxable because tax expenditures— special provisions of the tax code that benefit selected taxpayers or activities—wipe out tax liabilities and, in the case of refundable credits, result in net payments from the government. Most important of those tax expenditures are provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children. While those factors particularly affect lower-income households, different provisions eliminate taxes for other households. Itemized deductions and credits for children and education are more important for middle-income households, while the relatively few high-income nontaxable households benefit most from above-the-line and itemized deductions and reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf

It looks like conservative shenanigans in the States are just as easy to debunk as they are here.


It’s A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes

A favorite talking point used by conservatives to justify giving more tax breaks to the wealthy is that 50% of Americans pay no taxes. The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes.

The truth is that the talking point that half of all Americans pay no taxes is a misrepresentation. Here is the full quote from the Tax Policy Center,
The fraction of tax units paying no income tax varies widely by filing status and type of unit. About 47 percent of single filers will owe no tax, compared with 38 percent of joint filers and 72 percent of heads of household. More than half of elderly tax units and tax units with children will pay no income tax this year.
The 47% statistic is not all Americans pay no taxes, but single filers who will pay no federal income taxes. According to the Center On Budget and Policy Priorities the real reason why 47%-51% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009 is,
The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.
The combination of the recession and the Obama stimulus cut taxes to low and middle income Americans led to fewer Americans owing federal income tax in 2009.

The Tax Policy Center has tried to correct Fox News and the right wing media’s misuse of their research. In April 2010, Howard Glickman of the TPC wrote,
Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes. In fact, only 14 percent of Americans didn’t pay either income or payroll taxes. Some paid property taxes and, it is fair to say, just about all of them paid sales taxes of one kind or another. So to say they pay no taxes is flat wrong.
However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. The welfare queens don’t. The super-rich don’t. It is a powerful emotional argument. It is also flat wrong.
The actual number of Americans who don’t pay any taxes isn’t half, but 14%. This group of non-taxpayers of any kind is largely composed of the elderly and disabled. The people who don’t pay taxes do so because they can’t work.

The myth that the wealthy are carrying the tax burden for America is used to justify tax cuts for the rich. Conservatives use the inaccurate statistic hand in hand with their, “wealthy are the job creators argument.” One statistic that was intended to demonstrate the loss of income due to the recession, along with the impact of the Obama tax cuts has been distorted and misused to justify a policy of not asking the wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share.

The truth is that 86% of Americans pay taxes. In one recession strapped year (2009), less than half of single filer taxpayers paid federal income taxes.

Millions of Americans are not being told the truth that almost 90% of us pay taxes, and that much of the reason why there were fewer people paying federal income taxes in 2009 was that Barack Obama signed the largest tax cut in US history.

Since the truth undercuts the conservative’s reverse Robin Hood steal from the poor to give to the rich policy, they are going to do their best to keep the facts buried under a mountain of misinformation.

Anytime anyone tells you that half of Americans paid no taxes, do your country a favor and straighten them out. We have the facts. It’s time to tear down this talking point.

It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes


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Captain and petros lying?

Tell me it ain't so.
 

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I phones, I pods, I pads...............a real epidemic sickness of the day, ya really got to f**kin' wonder, everyone screaming poverty while walking down the street in a trance with one of these gadgets mindless at their ear and not paying the slightest attention to their surroundings. Is that what peoples' enjoyment has been reduced to? Oops I forgot..............there's drugs too!

Don't forget Xbox and all of the expensive gaming software that these poor wee lambs need to survive in today's society..... Hmmm, I wonder, when these idiots are playing their games, smoking pot and texting each other hundreds of messages each day - what aren't they doing?.... That's right, working at anything productive that may help them move out of their parent's basement.

Google will tell you captain's lying.

That's a good first step Flossy... Next is to back-up your point (as if there really is one)
 

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Don't forget Xbox and all of the expensive gaming software that these poor wee lambs need to survive in today's society..... Hmmm, I wonder, when these idiots are playing their games, smoking pot and texting each other hundreds of messages each day - what aren't they doing?.... That's right, working at anything productive that may help them move out of their parent's basement.
Did all those people who lined up for days to buy Halo 4 the other day use banked holiday time?

Read it again.
I read and I found....
Let me explain—repeat actually—what this means: About half of taxpayers paid no
federal income tax last year. It does not mean they paid no tax at all. Many
shelled out Social Security and Medicare payroll taxes.
Those aren't taxes they are CONTRIBUTIONS
 

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Do you have proof that all of the protestors have all these items or is it the same source that led you to believe that less 1/2 of working class Americans actually pay taxes?



Completely disagree.

Let's keep in mind that $500 is the total cost. If you have no qualms with someone owning a cellphone, the difference is no more than $250.

And anyone afford something like that on annual basis, but that won't make a dent in the $5,000.00/year bare minimum for rent.

At some point it does make a difference, whether it be the "straw that breaks the camel's back" or one of the other previous straws. Everyone (well except for Warren Buffet and Bill Gates) has to draw a line at which the mindless spending stops. It's not so much the spending as much as the mindless spending mentality.
 

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Don't forget Xbox and all of the expensive gaming software that these poor wee lambs need to survive in today's society..... Hmmm, I wonder, when these idiots are playing their games, smoking pot and texting each other hundreds of messages each day - what aren't they doing?.... That's right, working at anything productive that may help them move out of their parent's basement.

Now that your other lie has been debunked, we can take care if this lie as well.

You have no evidence to show that any significant proportion of the occupy group can be characterized in the way that you have described. Please bring that forth if you wish to support your claim.
 

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No it won't.


About 46 percent of American households will pay no federal individual income tax in 2011, roughly half of them because of structural features of the income tax that provide basic exemptions for subsistence level income and for dependents. The other half are nontaxable because tax expenditures— special provisions of the tax code that benefit selected taxpayers or activities—wipe out tax liabilities and, in the case of refundable credits, result in net payments from the government. Most important of those tax expenditures are provisions that benefit senior citizens and low-income working families with children. While those factors particularly affect lower-income households, different provisions eliminate taxes for other households. Itemized deductions and credits for children and education are more important for middle-income households, while the relatively few high-income nontaxable households benefit most from above-the-line and itemized deductions and reduced tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...Income-Tax.pdf

Thanks Pete, but I was hoping that Flossy would get off his ass and look himself, but alas, it would submarine his entire sad little position.

BTW - notice in his response that he deftly omitted the word 'federal' when he made the tax reference?... No doubt, a pathetic effort to divert the discussion to sales taxes or eco taxes on the raft of technology that the occupiers pay on the purchases of their Xbox and gaming tech.
 

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Income tax is a federal tax.

State (income tax %)
Alaska (0%)
Florida (0%)
Nevada (0%)
New Hampshire (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
South Dakota (0%)
Tennessee (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
Texas (0%)
Washington (0%)
Wyoming (0% )
Illinois (3%)
Pennsylvania (3%)
Indiana (3.4%)
North Dakota (3.8%)
Michigan (4.4%)
Arizona (4.5%)
Colorado (4.6%)
Ohio (4.7%)
New Mexico (4.9%)
Alabama (5%)
Connecticut (5%)
Maryland (5%)
Mississippi (5%)
Utah (5%)
Massachusetts (5.3%)
Oklahoma (5.5%)
Kentucky (5.8%)
Virginia (5.8%)
Georgia (6%)
Louisiana (6% )
Missouri (6%)
New Jersey (6.4%)
Kansas (6.5%)
West Virginia (6.5% )
Wisconsin (6.8%)
Nebraska (6.8%)
Maine (6.9%)
Montana (6.9%)
Delaware (7%)
Arkansas (7% )
North Carolina (7%)
South Carolina (7%)
Rhode Island (7.8%)
Idaho (7.8%)
Minnesota ( 7.9%)
New York (7.9%)
Hawaii (8.3%)
Vermont (8.3%)
D.C. ( 8.5%)
Iowa (9%)
California (9.6%)
Oregon (10.8%)
 

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State (income tax %)
Alaska (0%)
Florida (0%)
Nevada (0%)
New Hampshire (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
South Dakota (0%)
Tennessee (0%) except tax on income from interest and dividends
Texas (0%)
Washington (0%)
Wyoming (0% )
Illinois (3%)
Pennsylvania (3%)
Indiana (3.4%)
North Dakota (3.8%)
Michigan (4.4%)
Arizona (4.5%)
Colorado (4.6%)
Ohio (4.7%)
New Mexico (4.9%)
Alabama (5%)
Connecticut (5%)
Maryland (5%)
Mississippi (5%)
Utah (5%)
Massachusetts (5.3%)
Oklahoma (5.5%)
Kentucky (5.8%)
Virginia (5.8%)
Georgia (6%)
Louisiana (6% )
Missouri (6%)
New Jersey (6.4%)
Kansas (6.5%)
West Virginia (6.5% )
Wisconsin (6.8%)
Nebraska (6.8%)
Maine (6.9%)
Montana (6.9%)
Delaware (7%)
Arkansas (7% )
North Carolina (7%)
South Carolina (7%)
Rhode Island (7.8%)
Idaho (7.8%)
Minnesota ( 7.9%)
New York (7.9%)
Hawaii (8.3%)
Vermont (8.3%)
D.C. ( 8.5%)
Iowa (9%)
California (9.6%)
Oregon (10.8%)
Just like Provinces.
 

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Just like Provinces.


Yep... It seems to be a common practice in every entitlement nation that the taxman makes sure that they nab you at every turn.

I can only imagine that since the occupiers are moaning about entitlement right now that they will be hollering like scalded cats once they actually start paying taxes.... Ought to be fun to watch