National Geographic: How to cut down on emissions

captain morgan

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No fresh carrots for him.


Eating vegetables and/or any form of plant life is absolutely verboten as those little harmless life forms actually sequester the bad, bad CO2 that is destroying Mother Gaia.

Digestion of said food stuffs functionally releases the trapped CO2, which we all know may as well be the equivalent of battery acid to the environment
 

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MF no longer believes that individual carbon foot prints need be factored in now. The rich, white, liberal elite got tired of their abuses of energy being held up to scrutiny and MF is one of their drones.

Eaglesmack 3:16

Anyway, if you guys are just going to ad hominem circle jerk, that's fine.

But you would be better off trying to argue legitimate points.
 

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Eaglesmack 3:16

Anyway, if you guys are just going to ad hominem circle jerk, that's fine.

But you would be better off trying to argue legitimate points.

For what? You're a zealot.

Why should I argue with a wall when I can do this?

 

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Doesn't surprise me. Canada, like Britain, is one of those green-obsessed countries, whose dangerous obsession with windmills will leave you all living by candlelight in a few years from now, whilst the lights will still be on in Germany and China thanks to their coal-fired power stations.

That's where all this green nonsense is leading us.

We use water. Clean. Free. Totally renuable.
 

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We use water. Clean. Free. Totally renuable.


So is wind. And if you think water power is enough to power Canada and keep its lights on then you, like the other enviroMentals, will get a nasty shock by the time this decade is out.

Just like Britain, which is peppering its beautiful countryside with expensive, ugly and inefficient windmills, even when the locals don't want them in their area Canada will, by 2020, come to rue its decision to rely on "green" energy to power itself and will suddenly find itself plunged into blackness and its inhabitants having to live by candlelight because of its failure to invest in the building of coal-firedand nuclear-powered power stations.

The environmentalists have been warned time and again about this, but they will never take heed, and we will suffer as a result.

The Germans and Chinese, meanwhile, who open new coal-fired power stations every week, will be laughing.
 

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So is wind. And if you think water power is enough to power Canada and keep its lights on then you, like the other enviroMentals, will get a nasty shock by the time this decade is out.

Just like Britain, which is peppering its beautiful countryside with expensive, ugly and inefficient windmills, even when the locals don't want them in their area Canada will, by 2020, come to rue its decision to rely on "green" energy to power itself and will suddenly find itself plunged into blackness and its inhabitants having to live by candlelight because of its failure to invest in the building of coal-firedand nuclear-powered power stations.

The environmentalists have been warned time and again about this, but they will never take heed, and we will suffer as a result.

The Germans and Chinese, meanwhile, who open new coal-fired power stations every week, will be laughing.

Not all of Canada is on water power. Trouble with most people that live in Europe is they have no concept of size. The island I live on is as large as England. Even there we have several hydro dams and a few wind farms. Nuclear is a non starter here.
 

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Hilarious, isn't it.

Tutu and his nation can power their industry with dreams of unicorns and cinnamon buns.

Mind you, it will not be long before they come whining to the international community about not having enough food, heat, medical, etc and demand someone else take responsibility for their stupidity.
 

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Isn't this desmond just another middle management church guy, the kind that a lot of people seem to disrespect?
 

Locutus

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maybe it's 'cause he's from africa and the condescending elites like to pat those 3rd world religious and spiritual types on the head and make 'em poster boys for world good.
 

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Trouble with most people that live in Europe is they have no concept of size.

That's true.

What IS size?

By the way, the way green, enviroMentalist Canada is carrying on, its lights will go out by 2020 and you will all be living by candlelight, whilst the more sensible coal-powered Chinese and Germans will still have their countries powered up.

You can be "green" and "save the environment" and try to stop the non-existent global warming all you like but, at the end of the day, any country which tries to rely on "green" energies to power itself will get a shock in the not-too-distant future.

Of course, like I say, the enviroMentalists will continue to ignore these warnings.

Like I say, organisations like the UN, or magazines like National Geographic, or squeaky clean countries like Canada, saying that countries should "cut down their emissions" is a complete and utter waste of time when countries like Germany and China are still being powered by massive, coal-fired power stations, and China is opening several new ones every WEEK.

Canada can dot its landscape with silly, useless and expensive windmills, but little Canada's green actions, and those of other countries, will make little difference whatsoever when big countries like Germany and China generate electricity through huge coal-fired power stations.

Germany's green dreams meet harsh reality

11 April 2014
BBC News



David Shukman takes a look at the massive scale of Germany's coal-mining operation


A vision for a greener future for the world seems very distant if you descend into the heart of one of Germany's largest coal mines.

While researchers and officials are in Berlin preparing the next report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the country's fossil fuel industry is as busy as ever.

The report is expected to set out options to switch from sources of energy that give off the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide to cleaner types like wind and solar.

This mirrors Germany's own ambitions with a plan known as the Energiewende, best translated as "energy transition", which calls for at least 80% of power to come from renewable sources by 2050.

But south of Berlin in the region of Lausitz, down at the coal face in a mine called Welszow-South, machines the size of office blocks gouge out chunks of lignite and low-carbon dreams hardly seem plausible.

The lignite, also known as brown coal, is one of the dirtiest, most polluting kinds of fuel, but it helps generate no less than 26% of Germany's electricity.

Add in the country's harder black coal as well and you find that nearly half of the country's electricity comes from the one source which climate scientists argue most needs to be phased out.

The challenge is that, for the moment, coal offers a relatively cheap and easy solution, there is plenty of it and thousands of jobs are involved so the mining enjoys robust support from unions and local politicians.


"Stop This Senseless Activity": This protest sign is one example of the opposition to new mines

For a country that prides itself on showing green leadership, and hosting the IPCC meeting, the reliance on coal illustrates the sheer difficulty of turning visions into reality.

Germany is in the bizarre position of being the world's largest producer of solar power - and of lignite.

The dark cliffs of brown coal stretch for miles, exposed to the air for the first time since they formed from a swampy forest that lay along the shores of the North Sea 17 million years ago.

Ancient twists of branches, compacted and dusty, lie inside the coal, a reminder of a process that once sucked huge amounts of carbon dioxide out of the air, only for it now to be released back into the atmosphere.

The mine is one of several operated by the Swedish state-owned company Vattenfall and its managers are bullish about the prospects.

In addition to the lignite already earmarked for extraction, they say there are another 1.6 billion tonnes approved for future mining in this area alone and demand remains high.

The head of operations, Uwe Grosser, is polite about the "energy transition" and the advent of renewables but dismisses the idea of a future without coal.

"We're the only ones who deliver constant power. Our power is always there.


Germany is the world's largest producer of solar power

"When solar, wind and the renewables are fed into the grid we're the only ones able to adjust our output, that's the only way it's possible to prioritise renewables.

"If they can't provide power. We can. 24 hours a day. 365 days a year."

The last time I encountered Vattenfall was in very different circumstances: we were reporting on the construction of its huge wind farm off the coast of Cumbria.

Here the process of extracting coal has been fine-tuned over the past century. First, one of the largest moveable machines on the planet - a staggering 500m long - eats away at the layers of sand and silt to reveal the lignite.

The drivers are just visible perched in cabs high above the ground as they rearrange the geology.

Then comes the extraction of the lignite itself, a giant wheel grinding through the seam, sharpened scoops each carrying the weight of a small car in coal.

On the horizon stands a power station fed by the lignite, a mix of water vapour and exhaust rising from its towers. This is a region whose history is intertwined with that of coal and unpicking that will be no easy feat.

Patrick Graichen of the think-tank Agora-Energiewende, which seeks to build consensus on energy, concedes that the future of coal has so far been side-stepped.

"It is a tough challenge because politicians have so far only been focused on the phasing out of nuclear and the phasing in of renewables.

"We didn't look at coal but that's what we need to do and that will be tough because a lot of regions depend on coal."

Many properties in the village of Haidemuehl have been bought up by Vattenfall

And, for the time being, the demand for the coal as a power source gives the operators a massive incentive for expansion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26988695






 
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