N.D.P. drops bitch

[Trex]

Politics is a blood sport.

The guys running the war rooms during an election be they Con, Dip or Lib know their stuff pretty well, as far as they are concerned you are either a net liability or a net benfit to the party.
Liabilities go under the bus ASAP.

Look at how a couple of right wing, pro lifers derailed the Wild Rose party during the last Alberta election.
At the time the Wild Rose was polling a majority sweep.

Look at how Harpo controls his caucus.
And no wonder, all it takes is a few nut-bar statments to the media from the far back benches and viola,
the hidden agenda emerges.

Chretien BTW was even more controlling of his caucus than Harper.
During Chretien's terms he punted far more MP's out of the party than Harper has to date.

Muzzling or for that matter eliminating people who can talk faster than they can think is pretty much a full time job
in all the parties backrooms.

And yet without fail they miss a few here and there.
And the media has them up on the 6 o'clock news as the lead quicker than a hen on a June bug.

 

[Machjo]

And that reflects the intelligence of the electorate.

 

[JLM]

Why not let her cnstituents handle her.
1. Can you be sure that her past beliefs are her current beliefs?
2. do you not trust her constituents?

That's the way I'd prefer to see it done, but I think the head honchos of the party want to see a winable candidate run. No I can not be sure that her past beliefs are her present beliefs, but unless you are 100% sure they are not why take the chance? Trust her constituents? In a Hollywood minute, but I don't think the party leader does!

Don't you mean bitches? :lol:

Early in my career I was accused of F...ing the dog, but gave that up many years ago.-

 

[Machjo]

That's the way I'd prefer to see it done, but I think the head honchos of the party want to see a winable candidate run. No I can not be sure that her past beliefs are her present beliefs, but unless you are 100% sure they are not why take the chance? Trust her constituents? In a Hollywood minute, but I don't think the party leader does!

It's pretty easy to find out if her current beliefs are the same or not: ask her. And laso judge by the policies she proposes.

 

[JLM]

It's pretty easy to find out if her current beliefs are the same or not: ask her. And laso judge by the policies she proposes.

Ask a politician?

 

[Machjo]

Ask a politician?

Sorry for the lapse of judgement on my part. But if we take that to an extreme, then I guess nothing they say means anything.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

So, the Conservative Party shouldn't be able to "discriminate against" a dedicated Marxist? Or a bloodthirsty racist? Or a candidate who promises that he will work to take the vote away from women?

Is that what this candidate was doing?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Is that what this candidate was doing?

Yes. She was stating opinions not in accordance with the party line.

Your freedom of speech is vis-a-vis the government, not private parties like employers, clubs, or political parties.

 

[CDNBear]

How exactly is this a free speech issue?

Who said it was a free speech issue?

I just said it was another example of how the NDP doesn't like it.

She was free to make her comments, and she did. As always, free speech doesn't mean free of consequence for making your opinions known. Sometimes that means people won't choose to associate with you, and sometimes it means you'll be fired. That's exactly how it should be.

That doesn't sound very free does it?

Basic failure to understand that one's speech is free vis a vis the government. Pretty standard.

Ummm...

Yes. She was stating opinions not in accordance with the party line.

Your freedom of speech is vis-a-vis the government, not private parties like employers, clubs, or political parties.

LOL...

No, political parties aren't part of the government.

 

[talloola]

she was not jailed for her comments, or beaten with a club, or stoned in the square, she can say almost whatever she wants without being handcuffed and dragged into jail, I actually think the wests freedom
of speech is much more than most of us would want, but we accept that because it is 'free'.

If the NDP had not taken steps to oust her, the lash back to them would have been huge, they can't
do either without some criticism, I agree with their action.

 

[CDNBear]

she was not jailed for her comments, or beaten with a club, or stoned in the square, she can say almost whatever she wants without being handcuffed and dragged into jail...

That's not the only way to stifle someone's speech.

I actually think the wests freedom of speech is much more than most of us would want, but we accept that because it is 'free'.

No it isn't, many a good man and woman, have laid down their lives so you can have it, give it a work out before it's gone. The NDP hates it.

If the NDP had not taken steps to oust her, the lash back to them would have been huge, they can't
do either without some criticism, I agree with their action.

I get that, the party is more important. This isn't the first time an NDP party has managed to or attempted to stifle freedoms.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes. She was stating opinions not in accordance with the party line.

Your freedom of speech is vis-a-vis the government, not private parties like employers, clubs, or political parties.

No, that is not what I asked.

You went into a diatribe about racism and hate and rolling back womens rights.

Here's the quote:

So, the Conservative Party shouldn't be able to "discriminate against" a dedicated Marxist? Or a bloodthirsty racist? Or a candidate who promises that he will work to take the vote away from women?

I'll ask again.

Is that what she was doing?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No, that is not what I asked.

You went into a diatribe about racism and hate and rolling back womens rights.

Here's the quote:


I'll ask again.

Is that what she was doing?

Sigh. OK, I'll play. No, it's not what she was doing. She was criticising what she perceived as the expectation on the part of First Nations for payment.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Sigh. OK, I'll play. No, it's not what she was doing. She was criticising what she perceived as the expectation on the part of First Nations for payment.

Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Whether one agrees with her or not, she has the right to that opinion.

So why did the NDP dump her?

Are their members not allowed to criticize aboriginal expectations?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Seems like a reasonable thing to do. Whether one agrees with her or not, she has the right to that opinion.

So why did the NDP dump her?

Are their members not allowed to criticize aboriginal expectations?

Ah, for just one time
I will take the Northwest Passage
To try to get a f**cking point across
It's harder than what Franklin tried

It's not about whether her comment was reasonable or not. It is about whether the NDP, a private organisation, had the right to dump her. And it did. Ah, for just one MORE time. . . you have no free speech rights vis-a-vis private parties. Your boss can fire you for saying his wife looks like the south end of a north-bound horse, however true or reasonable the comment might be. The Boy Scouts have the right to dump you for saying you believe in the freedom of men to love little boys. Your local macrame club has the right to dump you for saying macrame is f*cking stupid.

 

[CDNBear]

... you have no free speech rights vis-a-vis private parties.

Who said rights?

Your boss can fire you for saying his wife looks like the south end of a north-bound horse, however true or reasonable the comment might be. The Boy Scouts have the right to dump you for saying you believe in the freedom of men to love little boys. Your local macrame club has the right to dump you for saying macrame is f*cking stupid.

No one said you couldn't.

Maybe if you guys stuck to what's actually said, you wouldn't author so many silly posts.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Ah, for just one time
I will take the Northwest Passage
To try to get a f**cking point across
It's harder than what Franklin tried

It's not about whether her comment was reasonable or not. It is about whether the NDP, a private organisation, had the right to dump her. And it did. Ah, for just one MORE time. . . you have no free speech rights vis-a-vis private parties. Your boss can fire you for saying his wife looks like the south end of a north-bound horse, however true or reasonable the comment might be. The Boy Scouts have the right to dump you for saying you believe in the freedom of men to love little boys. Your local macrame club has the right to dump you for saying macrame is f*cking stupid.

She didn't say the NDP was stupid. She didn't endorse the Man Boy Love Association.

Is it unacceptable to criticize aboriginal expectations in the NDP?

If it is not. And I believe that is the point CDNBear was trying to make. Why?

If your Boss dumped you regarding a stance on government spending or expectation you could sue.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

She didn't say the NDP was stupid. She didn't endorse the Man Boy Love Association.

I think we already covered that.

Is it unacceptable to criticize aboriginal expectations in the NDP?

Apparently, given the NDP's reaction, the way she criticised them, yes it is.

If it is not. And I believe that is the point CDNBear was trying to make. Why?

I don't talk to CDNBear, I won't talk about him.

If your Boss dumped you regarding a stance on government spending or expectation you could sue.

And you might win. In Canada. Not down here in South Canada.

 

[CDNBear]

I don't talk to CDNBear...

I take full responsibility for that, not to many people like you like to hear the truth, lol.

Not down here in South Canada.

I'd argue that. I'd suggest you start a thread on it, but you don't talk to people that poke holes in your silliness.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I think we already covered that.

you brought up MBLA and Macrame ****s not me.

Apparently, given the NDP's reaction, the way she criticised them, yes it is.

Which is what the core issue is. Why?

I don't talk to CDNBear, I won't talk about him.

Why

And you might win. In Canada. Not down here in South Canada.

South Canada? Florida?