Mystery surrounds dropped pot charges

[Praxius]

Decriminalizing, legalizing pot is a very dumb idea. Unless you are growing your own bud ALL of the pot being smoked in this country and virtually every other is a direct result of organized crime.
Times have changed. The weed business is big business. It's no longer Ricky and Julian growing some dope for their friends.
The crop yields that come from the growops nowadays require an organized criminal element to distribute them. The money gleaned from these crops go on to finance other criminal ventures such as weapons trafficking, human trafficking, cocaine trafficking, meth trafficking, corrupting government officials nationally and internationally and so on and so on.

That's got to be the most retardestable thing I've heard thus far. (Word of the Day)

I known plenty who grow and sell, and none of them traffic guns, they don't traffic humans, cocaine, meth, or any other damn thing you can throw out there. They dealt with only marijuana.

No longer rick and julian? That show was late in the game for details of dealers, and for the most part, it is usually just your average joe growing the stuff...... then again, The Trailer Park Boys are from Nova Scotia, as am I.... so maybe it's different here then it is where you live, I don't know.

But granted, there are a few bad apples who also sell other things besides marijuana, you have no place to generalize and blame marijuana for other illegal drugs and actions.

Direct Result of Organized Crime? No, It being related to Organized Crime is an action by the governments making it illegal in the first place. Take Alcohol for example and how big the illegal trafficking of alcohol was during Probation...... is it like that anymore now that it's legal?

Last I check, no.

Jack Layton of the NDP has a perfect plan which is in the best interests of Canada and citizens..... decriminalize/legalize marijuana to remove or at least reduce the illegal market, free up more police, courts, and focus on the more important issues in society.

The Liberals did it in the past (Although chickened out from US pressure) so there's got to be some logic to it.

Don't get me wrong. If you can grow your own marijuana for your own use and consume it outside of the reach of children then by all means blaze it up. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
But if you buy your weed from a dealer you are contributing to a lot of human suffering.

Bullsh*t...... none of the people.... NONE.... of them were like anything in which you mentioned above, and they harmed nobody.

I knew one person who was a shaddy character who sold marijuana, but he wasn't growing it himself, and he dealt mainly in cocaine, E, and other forms of drugs..... marijuana was a small part of what he did.

If you want to worry about people like him, then focus on their main products of sale which brings about those sorts of things, other then marijuana.

The only reason why society has a bad image of marijuana is because of "guilt by association" with other drugs it's been classified with.

 

[Tonington]

Hmmmm.... so I guess we can all start our own grow-ops and not worry about going to jail.

I wonder how this happened?

Could be that they're willing to testify against larger grow-ops, or criminals they could be syndicated with.

Decriminalizing, legalizing pot is a very dumb idea. Unless you are growing your own bud ALL of the pot being smoked in this country and virtually every other is a direct result of organized crime.
Times have changed. The weed business is big business. It's no longer Ricky and Julian growing some dope for their friends.
The crop yields that come from the growops nowadays require an organized criminal element to distribute them. The money gleaned from these crops go on to finance other criminal ventures such as weapons trafficking, human trafficking, cocaine trafficking, meth trafficking, corrupting government officials nationally and internationally and so on and so on.

Don't get me wrong. If you can grow your own marijuana for your own use and consume it outside of the reach of children then by all means blaze it up. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
But if you buy your weed from a dealer you are contributing to a lot of human suffering.

You do realize, that your first sentence doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever with the rest of what you wrote? Being that organized crime is so involved with the cultivation and distribution, that makes more sense for government regulation. That's untaxable revenue which contributes to violent crime when rivals clash. Seems like a pretty good case for legalization and government regulation.

 

[Praxius]

The problem with control is that it would only have an impact locally. Drugs is an international business so the price of weed or the profits made by dealers would still be enormous.

Well I couldn't give a crap about the international market, and if it's legal here in Canada, where I live, then those growing and selling it would automatically reduce their costs, because the risks of selling it would be far far less, and thus, they could grow more without worry of being detected (Because it is legal) and therefore they could drop the price considderably.

The Canadian government would not start exporting the weed to the Us- our biggest customer. So it would still be the criminal element that would cause the industry to thrive.

Canada wouldn't be exporting weed to the US, because the US is still on its hopeless "War on Drugs"

If they made it legal as well, we probably still wouldn't be exporting a lot to them, as they would be able to grow their own.

But the problem between the US and Canada, I couldn't give a shat about.... before they start bitching us out for legalizing marijuana, perhaps they should deal with their other issues south of their border from Columbia and Mexico, etc.

In theory your point is correct. But we are dealing with illicit produce here. Unless there was a global policy similar to what you suggest the organized crime would still thrive here in Canada.

One word: Amsterdam ~ Last I checked, I haven't heard much in the news about the Amsterdam Mafia or whatever. There are other places around the world that have it legalized as well, but you never hear about them do you?

That's because it's not as big of a deal as most would seem to think.

Illegal cigarettes and booze is still a highly lucrative business here in Canada despite regulation. The profits are not as huge as illegal drugs though however. This is because both smokes and booze are legal in the US and most other countries. With banned and controlled substances the business is different. The criminal element controls that market when the government cannot legally or morally export those substances.
Of course we saw the result of organized crime with prohibition of alcohol in the US and Canada. On this side we produced alcohol en masse. The Canadian government (in principal) respected the US ban on alcohol and did not export to the US. As a result an international criminal network was created. And as stated in my previous post much suffering and corruption of public officials on both sides occured.

And that had nothing to do with the drugs involved, it had to do with the government making those drugs illegal in the first place to create a spot for illegal trafficking..... and if there is a large underground market for it.... that would mean that a good chunk of society doesn't feel they are that bad for them, shouldn't be illegal, and making their own decisions..... with Alcohol, the government eventually had to fold and legalize alcohol again...... the crime and violence levels during that time never existed before Prohibition, and Prohibition was what caused all of these problems you listed.

Is there an illegal tobacco and alcohol trade going on out there? Yes.... however the alcohol trade is minimal today, and the only time I hear of bootleggers for alcohol these days are by those who get it for minors (Something I don't support) or by those who buy large quantities from the store and sell them after hours when parties need them late at night (for a slight mark up of course) ~ Certainly nothing like the rum running that occured during Prohibition.

And the reason why the illegal Tobacco trade has skyrocketed, is because of the increase of laws on where, what, how, etc. you can buy, smoke or use tobacco..... not to mention the government getting way too damn greedy and hiking up the taxes on them. Some people can not afford to support their habbits based on the high costs from the government, or they simply refuse...... therefore a market for lower and non-taxed smokes exists.

None of these things are the drugs' fault.... it's the governments for continually trying to control or restrict them "For our own Good"

 

[Praxius]

As I said above, Drugs are an international business. If you can convince Canadian Organized crime groups to not sell locally grown drugs around the world good luck to ya.

You seem to think that everybody who grows and sells weed here in Canada are international dealers..... once again, not one single person I knew who dealed, delt outside of their own countys, let alone province..... let alone country.

It's not a matter of foreign drug laws. Most countries ban drugs. Yet the world is gripped by a drugs crisis. So obviously drug laws across the world are being ignored. The same will hold true if weed is legalized here.

The only reason why many countries banned most drugs, is because of US pressure to support their idiotic "War on Drugs" and if they didn't support their cause and follow suit, then there would be ties cut, sanctions, blah blah blah..... it was due mostly to pressue, not out of their own logical reasoning.

During Prohibition, Canada was pressured by the US to ban alcohol..... that didn't work and shortly after, Canada removed the ban. The US continued with the ban for a few years longer before they finally got it through their brains that their ban only caused things to get far worse then it was.

Grow ops are used to fund international organized crime. These groups already "take it upon themselves to export". Nothing will change if marijuana becomes legal here.

You're completely wrong..... you're completely wrong, because you generalize the whole situation. There are grow ops that do not go any further then the province they live in.... not all of them do as you claim they do. I would suggest you educate yourself a bit further into this before continuing with your generalizations.

 

[Unforgiven]

Noiw hold on fellers. L Gilbert posted a link to some information about the deadliest drug Marahuana in this here other thread. You should read up on it first so you know what we're dealing with here.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Here are a few things I think it's important to remember from that website.

Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke.

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse.

So I want you all to understand that Marahhuna is bad bad bad!

 

[Lithp]

Well Praxius I'm sure that all that read this topic will be very impressed that you know so many drug dealers. That's very cool.
And I'm sure that all these dealer friends of yours follow the path of every single bud they sell to ensure that not a single leaf of it makes it to the hands of any children.
And I'm sure that your "friends" tell you everything about their business and whether or not they are into other criminal enterprises because hey- they can trust you with those secrets right?
And I'm sure that like you said,all drug laws in all countries are based of fear of US retribution.
It must be nice putting on the blinders and living in your own little microcosm. You do realize that when you smoke weed you have to eventually exhale that stuff right? Time to exhale and take in some fresh air.

Up to 80% of the weed grown in grow ops is this country is exported. Organized crime is directly involved in that.

But hey, maybe you can ask some of your "friends" to make the gang members stop. I'm sure the gang members will gladly comply... Because we don't want to give drug trafficking a bad name right?

Educate myself about grow ops? I have. And I can assure you I know alot more about them and organized crime than you do.

 

[lone wolf]

Well Praxius I'm sure that all that read this topic will be very impressed that you know so many drug dealers. That's very cool.
And I'm sure that all these dealer friends of yours follow the path of every single bud they sell to ensure that not a single leaf of it makes it to the hands of any children.
And I'm sure that your "friends" tell you everything about their business and whether or not they are into other criminal enterprises because hey- they can trust you with those secrets right?
And I'm sure that like you said,all drug laws in all countries are based of fear of US retribution.
It must be nice putting on the blinders and living in your own little microcosm. You do realize that when you smoke weed you have to eventually exhale that stuff right? Time to exhale and take in some fresh air.

Up to 80% of the weed grown in grow ops is this country is exported. Organized crime is directly involved in that.

But hey, maybe you can ask some of your "friends" to make the gang members stop. I'm sure the gang members will gladly comply... Because we don't want to give drug trafficking a bad name right?

Educate myself about grow ops? I have. And I can assure you I know alot more about them and organized crime than you do.

What part of controlled ... as in by LAW ... don't you understand? It wouldn't get into the hands of organized crime if product was being policed.

 

[Unforgiven]

What part of controlled ... as in by LAW ... don't you understand? It wouldn't get into the hands of organized crime if product was being policed.

Like guns? ;-)

 

[lone wolf]

Like guns? ;-)

That's incoming goods. Our law can't observe from manufacturing process to sale where it can from germination to harvest and sale if it's licenced and grown in-country.

 

[Praxius]

Noiw hold on fellers. L Gilbert posted a link to some information about the deadliest drug Marahuana in this here other thread. You should read up on it first so you know what we're dealing with here.

http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Here are a few things I think it's important to remember from that website.

So I want you all to understand that Marahhuna is bad bad bad!

The majority of that information is garbage:

"Numerous studies have shown marijuana smoke to contain carcinogens and to be an irritant to the lungs. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke."

^ Which is true with joints, not with bongs or pipes, etc. With most joints, people tend to try and save their supplies by splitting their joints with tobbaco.... tobacco also makes it burn better. Not to mention, joints with tobacco in them usually don't have filters, if they do, they're make-shift rolled up cardboard filters.... certainly not decent enough to filter out anything normally inhaled by a normal cig.

I've heard this same quote for years now, and it's changed from joints and ciggs to just plain smoke..... why? Because of exactly what I just stated above.

"Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person’s existing problems worse."

^ Which is a load of vauge bullsh*t, as many many people I know, heard from, seen, etc. all smoke on a daily basis, have families, and work steady jobs..... and well I might add. In fact, some of my closest friends work harder and better then most of the slack asses they have to cover all the time.

Oh, and I don't suppose anybody bothered to look into the details of that site, which is based of course in the US, which is also our big pals who brought us the War on Drugs, and the first country to make marijuana illegal in the first place.

Yeah, completely unbiased :roll: I sure can rely on the "Facts" from that site.

Geezus

Oh and the use of marijuana has helped my arthritis, and I'm no longer on anti-depressants, among many other things.

Yeah..... marijuana sure is evil.

Rather then listening to the same old garbage from the US, who never admits they made a mistake on something, how about you guys do some research on the medical and other benifits of marijuana.

You might actually be suprised.

 

[Praxius]

Well Praxius I'm sure that all that read this topic will be very impressed that you know so many drug dealers. That's very cool.

I known them.... I'm not bum buddies with them. Throughout the years as one moves from location to location, they don't move with you.

It's not like I hold a big drug convention every Saturday night..... get real.

And I'm sure that all these dealer friends of yours follow the path of every single bud they sell to ensure that not a single leaf of it makes it to the hands of any children.

The people I knew sold to adults, people they knew and trusted. Nobody I have ever met, dealer or user, has ever given their marijuana to children, let alone left it lying around for them to take.

Fk sakes, if you're gonna debate, use some logic, not some petty, pissy and unfounded emotional dribble.

It'd be no different then tobacco stores which somehow, by government reports, sell to minors, or even alcohol for that matter.

Sh*t happens everywhere you go, even when regulated. I don't see what your point is other then to spill more BS into the spectrum with nothing to back it up with.

And I'm sure that your "friends" tell you everything about their business and whether or not they are into other criminal enterprises because hey- they can trust you with those secrets right?

Well that, obviously is none of your business now is it?

And I'm sure that like you said,all drug laws in all countries are based of fear of US retribution.

How about you get off your lazy ass and look it up?

It must be nice putting on the blinders and living in your own little microcosm. You do realize that when you smoke weed you have to eventually exhale that stuff right? Time to exhale and take in some fresh air.

Seriously, stop being idiotic, you're not proving anything, let alone providing anything which supports your argument. You clearly don't have the first damn clue about anything in regards to marijuana, so don't sit there and tell me what you think you know or what you think I don't know.

You want to take some fresh air? How about you do yourself some good and do some research and educate yourself, rather then spouting off the same cheap afterschool special propaganda shoved down your throat over the years?

Up to 80% of the weed grown in grow ops is this country is exported.

Sez who? Give me sources. And like I've done for the last 10 years of hearing this garbage, I'll shoot it down like I always do.

Organized crime is directly involved in that.

It maybe in some situations, but not all.... and it's obviously called organized crime, because the government keeps it illegal so they have a market.

What's so different from this, compared to the Government controlling tobacco, alcohol, gambling, etc.?

There isn't any.

But hey, maybe you can ask some of your "friends" to make the gang members stop. I'm sure the gang members will gladly comply... Because we don't want to give drug trafficking a bad name right?

Since my "Friends" as you say, are not into that trade and don't go to those annual underground drug meetings you seem to think exist, that wouldn't happen.

You do realize that sometimes your average citizen just grows in small amounts? You do realize that the people you live next door to probably grow and sell as well? Do you honestly think marijuana for the most part is marketed underground by big mafia organizations?

You're more clueless then I originally thought.... thanks for wasting my time though.

Educate myself about grow ops? I have. And I can assure you I know alot more about them and organized crime than you do.

Really? Then by all means, start providing something that makes sense, rather then your monkey brained garbage you've been dishing out so far.

Where are your sources for these numbers you seem to crap out so easily? Have any reports, web sites, anything worthwhile to look at, or are you just so scared sh*tless about something that's labeled a "Drug" that you get like a bible thumper and spout off anything you can think of?

By all means, fill me with your vast knowlege on something you apparently never tried, let alone ever saw in real life. :roll:

 

[Praxius]

What part of controlled ... as in by LAW ... don't you understand? It wouldn't get into the hands of organized crime if product was being policed.

Meh, he/she/whoever doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.... it's not supricing they don't understand a lot of things about the subject.

 

[Lithp]

What part of controlled ... as in by LAW ... don't you understand? It wouldn't get into the hands of organized crime if product was being policed.

What part of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act don't you understand? It is already "Controlled" by the LAW

 

[Lithp]

"Since my "Friends" as you say, are not into that trade and don't go to those annual underground drug meetings you seem to think exist, that wouldn't happen."

It has now become abundantly clear that you have no idea what you are talking about. If you think for one second that there are not meetings about drugs- weekly, monthly or annually you are sorely mistaken. Ummm.. that's why it's called organized crime.
I have personally seen and held in my own hands flip charts made by an organized crime group- that shall remain unnamed- of how to grow and distribute marijuana.
Praxius you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to organized crime. You spout off like you do. I get paid to. Don't bother asking me how.

 

[Praxius]

What part of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act don't you understand? It is already "Controlled" by the LAW

controlled enough apparently.

 

[lone wolf]

What part of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act don't you understand? It is already "Controlled" by the LAW

That's right - as an Illegal substance. Decriminalization still means it's controlled ... just under more relaxed conditions. I didn't refer to an Act ... I referred to a deed ... or act. You can play with semantics all you want, it still doesn't make your logic sound.

 

[Praxius]

It has now become abundantly clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Really? Cuz I was thinking the exact same thing about you..... thinking that I or anybody else would just walk up to someone and tell them to do something because some faceless person on the internet is all worried and bothered over something they have no clue about.

If you think for one second that there are not meetings about drugs- weekly, monthly or annually you are sorely mistaken. Ummm.. that's why it's called organized crime.

And as stated already before, if you think every single dealer, big and small, are all connected and goto meetings to talk about these things, you're flat out ignorant.

I have personally seen and held in my own hands flip charts made by an organized crime group- that shall remain unnamed- of how to grow and distribute marijuana.

Yeah and I can find the exact same thing online on the internet at Hightimes.com.

Praxius you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to organized crime. You spout off like you do. I get paid to. Don't bother asking me how.

The money's going to waste then and you've been thrown into the spin cycle for way too long.

Don't worry, I won't bother to ask you how, because I don't give a rats ass. Based on the information you provided thus far, which is very little, you sound more like the average beat cop who probably only has consumed a few beers on the weekend with your buddies..... perhaps smoked a few ciggs here and there..... all the "Legal Drugs" of course.... but avoid all the other things, because of what you have been told and brought up to know, not what you personally know from first hand experience.

But I seriously doubt you're even a cop, not that it matters either way.

But if you think Marijuana is 100% completely related to big organized crime mafia gangs, etc. then I'm afraid you're the one with the blinders on, not I. Organized crime in into everything, but it's not the absolute in every situation.

And even you have to admit that keeping it illegal and throwing non-violent users who've never had any other criminal record into jail and wasting jail space and tax dollars isn't the solution.

Let me guess.... you probably think people get physically addicted to maijuana don't you?

 

[Lithp]

Really? Cuz I was thinking the exact same thing about you..... thinking that I or anybody else would just walk up to someone and tell them to do something because some faceless person on the internet is all worried and bothered over something they have no clue about.



And as stated already before, if you think every single dealer, big and small, are all connected and goto meetings to talk about these things, you're flat out ignorant.



Yeah and I can find the exact same thing online on the internet at Hightimes.com.



The money's going to waste then and you've been thrown into the spin cycle for way too long.

Don't worry, I won't bother to ask you how, because I don't give a rats ass. Based on the information you provided thus far, which is very little, you sound more like the average beat cop who probably only has consumed a few beers on the weekend with your buddies..... perhaps smoked a few ciggs here and there..... all the "Legal Drugs" of course.... but avoid all the other things, because of what you have been told and brought up to know, not what you personally know from first hand experience.

But I seriously doubt you're even a cop, not that it matters either way.

But if you think Marijuana is 100% completely related to big organized crime mafia gangs, etc. then I'm afraid you're the one with the blinders on, not I. Organized crime in into everything, but it's not the absolute in every situation.

And even you have to admit that keeping it illegal and throwing non-violent users who've never had any other criminal record into jail and wasting jail space and tax dollars isn't the solution.

Let me guess.... you probably think people get physically addicted to maijuana don't you?

Still waiting to exhale huh?

Aren't we all faceless people on the internet here?

Is this about having the last word here? Are you one of those guys that just can't handle not having the last word? Does that eat at you?

Face it. I am right and you are wrong.

Oh ya... the last word. Ready........? GO! :lol: