Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests

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Colpy, you need to calm down, just a bit.

Mohammed's youngest wife was SIX when he married her, although he did not engage in full intercourse with her until she was NINE.

There are examples throughout history of child brides/grooms to cement alliances/guarantee inheritances/obtain title, ownership or stewardship of lands and estates. The 6 year old bride thing doesn't mean so much. Intercourse at 9 doesn't explain away as easily.

Oh, and as anyone with a functioning intellect knows, the age of sexual maturity in human females has NOT changed in the last 2,000 years.....and it is NOT nine years old....or usually 12 either.

9 no, but 12, perhaps. I went to school with girls who were impregnated at 12, and while they were "ahead of the curve" and it is definately not recommended, for either the health of the mother or the viability of the pregnancy, they are not unknown (I'm betting there are others on this forum that can relate similar stories). Again, 9 year olds usually don't figure into these conversations.

People believe and accept all kinds of funky things in the name of religion. Christians, Jews and Muslims are all OK with the fact that Abraham was going to kill his kid, that Daniel survived being in a furnace and all kinds of other wierd stuff. There are all kinds of statements in the Bible (particularly the Old Testament) that are not compatible with many of our modern values. I am not stating any of this to condone the fact that in many poor countries, kids are forced into sexual activity (whether legal or illegal) before they are either physically or emotionally mature enough to handle it, but not all those countries are Muslim. Not all Muslims believe pedophiles are acceptable.

I view religious people the same way I view politically active people: I try to judge them by what THEY espouse as individuals, not just what the party or religion preaches (except in the most general terms).
 

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So Mohhammed wasn't a kid toucher?

Mohammed is a fictional character, I can't tell you whether he was a kid toucher or not. Why ask me? I was simply pointing out that the claim that the age of sexual maturity hasn't changed in 2000 years was completely false, as anyone involved in health care knows. I wasn't making any claim about Mohammed.
 

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Mohammed is a fictional character, I can't tell you whether he was a kid toucher or not. Why ask me? I was simply pointing out that the claim that the age of sexual maturity hasn't changed in 2000 years was completely false, as anyone involved in health care knows. I wasn't making any claim about Mohammed.

Well okay then.

Here is some interesting video which certainly paints an ugly picture.

Islam is wrong path Says Ex-Muslim - YouTube
 

mentalfloss

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No reply to my rebuttals Colpy?

If it's easier for you, why don't you read about here:

http://www.muhaddith.org/islamicvideos/threethingsaboutislamtaqiyyashariajihad.html

Go through the text and tell me where they went off track and we can continue the discussion. If you can't, I will accept your silence as acknowledgement that you are peddling propaganda - which is the primary reason that Canadians have an illegitimate, negative perception of muslims.
 

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No reply to my rebuttals Colpy?

If it's easier for you, why don't you read about here:

Three Things About Islam, Taqiyya, Sharia Law, Jihad

Go through the text and tell me where they went off track and we can continue the discussion. If you can't, I will accept your silence as acknowledgement that you are peddling propaganda - which is the primary reason that Canadians have an illegitimate, negative perception of muslims.


I got distracted....I got part way through the piece where the (obviously Sunni) Muslim blames the concept of Taqiyya on the Shia...:) I'll get to the rest.....but I do have a life outside the forum I have to deal with.

And Islamists are obviously liars.

After all they call Islam "a Religion of Peace".

Oh, and you are COMPLETELY refusing to deal with either of my major statements on the thread (Mohammed as example, parallels between Islam and Naziism), soooo I'd hesitate in any accusations of dodging the issue were I you... :)

Glass houses and all that.
 

mentalfloss

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I got distracted....I got part way through the piece where the (obviously Sunni) Muslim blames the concept of Taqiyya on the Shia...:) I'll get to the rest.....but I do have a life.

And Islamists are obviously liars.

They call Islam "a Religion of Peace".

Keep at it.

Maybe you'll actually find something in the Quran that disputes them.
 

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Keep at it.
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“Most of these perceptions are built around images that people see globally,” said Jedwab.
The similar findings in other Western nations “suggests this isn’t a Canadian-specific issue . . . I’m not saying we shouldn’t have programs” and policies in Canada to improve general perceptions of Muslims, “but the impact of those programs is limited if we don’t have global cooperation.”
The results of the new poll echo the findings of a previous ACS survey just ahead of last month’s 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, which showed that a majority of Canadians believes conflict between Western nations and the Muslim world is “irreconcilable.”
That survey of 1,500 Canadians in early September showed that 56 per cent of respondents see Western and Muslim societies locked in an unending ideological struggle, while about 33 per cent — just one-third of the population — held out hope that the conflict will event
That survey of 1,500 Canadians in early September showed that 56 per cent of respondents see Western and Muslim societies locked in an unending ideological struggle, while about 33 per cent — just one-third of the population — held out hope that the conflict will eventually be overcome.
MF some points and some questions – I am tired of hearing about Mohammed.
Note that the majority of Canadians have a negative perception of Muslims based upon their view of other Muslim countries – I cannot disagree with that – Does the study anywhere clarify if this is an international view or is it there view of Muslims in Canada.
Many see an ideological struggle – I cannot disagree with that – We are a democracy with full rights and protections for individuals, women, and freedom of religion and so on.
So some questions.
“Most of these perceptions are built around images that people see globally,” said Jedwab.

So is this an international view of Muslims or a view by Canadians of Muslim Canadians??? Or a mix of this and that.

What was the methodology?

What questions were asked?

How many Muslim countries are classed as a functioning Democracy with full respect, rights etc.

How many are not?

How many target ethnic / religious minorities?

How many are currently going thru or have been thru a civil war in the past year – from Egypt to Libya as the parameters for defining a civil war – most peaceful to full civil war.

How many have a system of Govt that is the same as a or quite similar to a Dictatorship?
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
How many have signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights – And how many Muslim Countries implemented it.

So tell me – What is your personal view of most Arab / Muslim countries?
 

mentalfloss

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So tell me – What is your personal view of most Arab / Muslim countries?

I think there is some good and there is some bad.

And I will always try and take a neutral approach and dispel any myths in favour or against.

I wouldn't necessarily trust Colpy's opinion as he peddles a debunked propaganda video.

Oh, and you are COMPLETELY refusing to deal with either of my major statements on the thread (Mohammed as example, parallels between Islam and Naziism), soooo I'd hesitate in any accusations of dodging the issue were I you... :icon_smile:

Your parallel between "Islam" and "Naziism" stems from criticisms of the Qur'an that were debunked.

If you want to go over those finer points, you can bring them up.
 
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This whole 'poll' could basically be applied to anything or any one group. It doesn't say much to me.

Outside Quebec, almost half of us have a good or very good feeling toward "_______________".

Barry's rating is around the same 43%. Maybe Harpo too. The Wheat Board, OWS, Americans, gays, gun registry or official bilingualism. I'll bet half hate that sloppy yellow pea soup too. And so they should.

Regardless. I have no negative prejudices against Muslims or most groups for that matter.

Maybe the best thing a person can experience is befriending, marrying, working-with etc, a person from 'another' group. It's funny how you learn, appreciate, maybe even change your mind on previous ignorant misconceptions. In my own case, the Tamils and Sinhalese.



But I fuking hate Habitant Pea Soup! That evil gruel. And by association, maybe even Quebec. Ain't gonna change friends. :lol:
 

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Just anote to those associating Islam with Iran: what about turkey?!

Constitutionally, Turkey is far more secular than Canada (the Turkish head of state is not constitutionally required to adhere to a particular religious group, nor is he prohibited from marrying a member of any religious group, nor does the constitution give any religious group ny special constitutional pivilege in education, etc.), yet we hear no mention of it. Canada's constitution is unquestionably far more religious than Turkey's.
 

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Not gonna happen with the media constantly bombarding the public with isolated events as if they are commonplace in the muslim community.
So you keep saying, but RCS and myself share the same opinion here. How did we figure that out, if we are drowned in media propaganda?

I'm sure another Ezra cartoon will help bring them into the 20th century.
What cartoon? If you're referring to the Danish ones, that was about free speech. Not Islamophobia.

Please refrain from PERSONAL ATTACKS and keep this thread ON TOPIC!!


This site has a poor reputation.
Thanks to your posts.
 

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The site I was referring to was the site Colpy posted and that wasn't my opinion but the message I got from WOT!

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You mean cubbyabtfetgoreobsessed, is full of shyte?

Say it isn't so.
 

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Just anote to those associating Islam with Iran: what about turkey?!

Constitutionally, Turkey is far more secular than Canada (the Turkish head of state is not constitutionally required to adhere to a particular religious group, nor is he prohibited from marrying a member of any religious group, nor does the constitution give any religious group ny special constitutional pivilege in education, etc.), yet we hear no mention of it. Canada's constitution is unquestionably far more religious than Turkey's.

Now please tell us about the Kurds?