Muslim workers say they were fired for praying

IdRatherBeSkiing

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No matter how many you post, there'll be ten equivalent stories for Catholic paedophile priests.

It's Catholicism which has a reputation for child buggery. Not Anglicanism. And there's a good reason for that.

How many more Catholics are there than Anglicans? Are you going to provide per captia statistics as well?
 

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Really - Islam is quite flexible- Having had a number of Muslims work for me I educated myself.

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Making Up Missed Prayers in Islam - Can One Make Up Missed Prayers in Islam?

Muslims pray five formal prayers daily, within certain specified times of day. If one misses a prayer for any reason, what is to be done? Can the prayers be made up at a later time, or does it automatically count as a sin that cannot be rectified?
Answer: The schedule of Muslim prayer is one that is generous and flexible. There are five prayers to be performed, during various periods of time throughout the day. The time needed to perform the prayer is minimal. Yet many of us miss prayers during the day -- sometimes for unavoidable reasons, sometimes due to negligence.

Of course one should try to pray within the specified times. There is wisdom in the Islamic prayer schedule, setting times throughout the day to "take a break" to remember God's blessings and to seek His guidance.

If a prayer is missed, it is common practice among Muslims that it is to be made up as soon as it is remembered or as soon as one is able to do so. This is known as Qadaa'. For example, if one misses the noon prayer because of a work meeting that could not be interrupted, one should pray as soon as the meeting is over. If the next prayer time has already come, one should first perform the prayer that was missed, and immediately after it the “on time” prayer.


It is incorrect to simply throw up one’s hands and say, “Oh, it was missed and there is nothing to do about it.” There are times when prayer is missed for unavoidable reasons. It is indeed a sin if one misses prayers regularly without a valid reason (i.e. constantly oversleeping the pre-dawn prayer). However, the door to repentance is open and the first step is to make up the missed prayer as soon as possible. One should repent any delay that was due to negligence or forgetfulness, and commit to developing the habit of performing the prayers within their timeframe.
 

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I don't care who prays and who does not just as long as they are not taking up
company time to it.
It reminds me of an old joke.
a group of soldiers were surrounded hunkered down in fox holes when the commander
ordered they all Pray. Two guys were non believers. One said to the other OK I will
lead the prayer as I used to wait for the bus outside the church hall bow your head.
Bother bowed their heads and the prayers began

Under the B 4 under the 0 72 under the G 55

Just because a rule is made not everyone will use it or even understand the rule.
 

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I don't care who prays and who does not just as long as they are not taking up
company time to it.
It reminds me of an old joke.
a group of soldiers were surrounded hunkered down in fox holes when the commander
ordered they all Pray. Two guys were non believers. One said to the other OK I will
lead the prayer as I used to wait for the bus outside the church hall bow your head.
Bother bowed their heads and the prayers began

Under the B 4 under the 0 72 under the G 55

Just because a rule is made not everyone will use it or even understand the rule.

If you read what I posted Islam is quite flexible. Also in Canada certain laws apply.
These fellows do not have a case to win.
 

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I think it comes down to the policy of the employer. If people can go out at a non-scheduled time and have a smoke, there is no reason a Molslem cannot pray at his scheduled times. But if the employer says all breaks shall be at 8:15PM, then goober's prayer shedule makeup rules would come into effect.

Not knowing the exact policy, it is hard to comment further.
 

Goober

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I think it comes down to the policy of the employer. If people can go out at a non-scheduled time and have a smoke, there is no reason a Molslem cannot pray at his scheduled times. But if the employer says all breaks shall be at 8:15PM, then goober's prayer shedule makeup rules would come into effect.

Not knowing the exact policy, it is hard to comment further.
In the case described, the rules for this in Islam are clear. Reason why I believe they do not have a case.

In Canada a reasonable effort must be made- If it causes undue hardship for co-workers, then the employer has the right to offer another time etc.
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From what I recall- Undue hardship could be - worker hired to work certain days- he is hired, after hiring even a year or more later, then needs this particular day of due to religious reasons - If it causes shifts changes that interrupt co-works days off- shifts - undue hardship for co-workers- employee - then the employer can refuse.
But make sure it is fully documented, including written statements from co-workers.
 

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Oh, hit a nerve there it looks like.

Not with me you didn't. You're nothing but a stinking hypocrite:

Tecumsehsbones;1825248 I feel the same way. Why should Christians have a day off for their stupid religion?


Tecumsehsbones;1825357 Y'all still hate Catholics?

Anglicans were better at keeping it quiet.

They were better at not buggering small boys.

How many more Catholics are there than Anglicans?







 

Blackleaf

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Basement walls starting to close in on you, aren't they?

He, or she, or both (you never know these days), is just a hypocrite.

Banging on about he/she/it hating Christians in one post, then having a go at me for hating Catholics in the next.

I can smell the hypocrisy from here.
 

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He, or she, or both (you never know these days), is just a hypocrite.

Banging on about he/she/it hating Christians in one post, then having a go at me for hating Catholics in the next.

I can smell the hypocrisy from here.

If you're starting to smell things you should probably crawl out of the basement and take a shower. Use soap.
 

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If you're starting to smell things you should probably crawl out of the basement and take a shower. Use soap.

His/her/its smell of hypocrisy is so overpowering it'll take weeks to get off using powerful industrial cleaning fluids.
 

SLM

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Sigh. There was actually a discussion going here with respect to religious requirements vs employers/employees rights and/or responsibilities. Wonder where it all went south?Hmmm.
 

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For a shift starting at 6 p.m., workers said, the new supervisor said Muslims could not break for prayer before 8 p.m. Still, they said, non-Muslim workers were allowed non-scheduled breaks to go outside to smoke cigarettes.

Interesting, I hope they win, get their jobs back, back pay and a nice little bonus for the inconvenience.

I hope that claim gets backed up by some evidence before they win though.
 

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Hate towards those who persecute Christians in a Christian country whilst Islam is afforded endangered species status.

A group of Muzzies have been told they cannot pray. The tables have turned big style. It's usually Christians who are told they can't pray whilst anyone who tells Muzzies they can't pray is classified as a racist.


Don't you be a disagreein there, Blackleaf.


When do "Christians" pray on the job, or even on break? They usually wait till Sunday, get all dressed up in their best overalls, and go on down to the church in the wildwood, or wherever. Then sit on the porch, do some whittlin, and drink shine.

Cain't have folks non conformin do them lofty standards.
 

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Sigh. There was actually a discussion going here with respect to religious requirements vs employers/employees rights and/or responsibilities. Wonder where it all went south?Hmmm.

It all went south when oddballs disagreed with my perfectly reasonable and rational statement that these Muslims now know how all those persecuted Christians who have been told not to wear crucifixes to work feel; or how that Christian nurse who was reprimanded for saying Christian prayers to a dying patient feels.

Christians are commonly persecuted for their beliefs, and Muslims rarely are, so this nice little story is an example of the tables being turned.

Those Muslims now know how all those poor Christians who were persecuted just for practising their religion feel.

When do "Christians" pray on the job, or even on break?

They don't. Unlike Muzzies they usually have the good grace to wait till they get home, or in Church on Sundays, rather than doing it during working hours.

And there's no way Christians would be even allowed to pray in work, anyway. All stops are pulled out to allow the Muzzies to do it, even going so far as to give them their own prayer rooms.

But a CHRISTIAN praying, even for just a few seconds, in work time? It'll be an instant sacking.
 

karrie

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He, or she, or both (you never know these days), is just a hypocrite.

Banging on about he/she/it hating Christians in one post, then having a go at me for hating Catholics in the next.

I can smell the hypocrisy from here.

lol..... are you referring to me?