No, you need intelligence and a sense of humour too, something sadly lacking in most proselytizers in my experience. I’ll witness for you on all four if necessary.
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This fallacy can be answered easily.
Whose words are truthful: the words of people or the words of God?
The words of God are the truthful certainly.
See this example, although you are blind to the truth and may perish with your blasphemy and will then lose.
[The people of Mecca came to God's messenger, and said: "Has God not found any messenger other than you? We do not see anyone believe your words; moreover, we have asked the Jews and Christians about you, and they said that you are not foretold to them; so tell us who testify that you are God's messenger as you claim?
Therefore, this aya was revealed:]
Quran 6: 19, which means:
(Say [O Mohammed to these unbelievers]:
“What thing is weightiest in bearing witness [to my truthfulness?”] b
Say: “God is Witness between me and you [that He has sent me to you.] c
And this Quran has been revealed to me to warn you with it [of God's punishment if you do not believe and abandon the idolatry],
and [to warn] all adults d whom it will reach [till Doomsday.]”
and ‘the [Mahdi] who will reach [ the age of full strength’ will also warn with the Quran and will also testify for me],
“So do you really testify that there are other gods with God?” f
Say: "I myself do not testify [to this.]"
Say: “Truly He is One God, and I quit myself of all that you associate [with Him.]”)
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b Is it the words of God or the words of people? For God knows better than people about everything.
c And His words, included in the Quran, testify that I am God's messenger to you.
d i.e. and I warn all those whom the Quran reaches and they hear it: including all the adults responsible about their acts, from now till Doomsday.
f This question is for condemnation and rebuke; it implies: How can you testify that there are other gods besides God, even after evidences have been clearly explained and the proof about His Oneness has been established!?
The complete explanation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:
If anyone wants to know what is the idolatry and the 'associating others with God' or equalizing others with God, see here:
The religion should exclusively be devoted to God alone
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The religion should exclusively be devoted to God alone
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That's according to the Quran.
Not everyone follows that book.
What is idolatry to one may not be to others.
What you call God may not be what others call God, and you can't call them wrong.
Just as they can't say ultimately you're wrong.
God is personal.
God is individual.
Even your God is not the God of another Muslim.
And that's okay.
Ah, I didn’t realize you where the “Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly” Guy. Sorry, I thought you’d be someone who could answer and debate with your own words & thoughts. My mistake.
So you're saying it's god who gets to decide who's wicked and idolatrous. Or that's what you're pretending to say. What you're really saying is that based on your understanding and Al-Hilly's interpretation of Islamic scripture, *you* can do it too.
Actually you've been doing it from the beginning, telling us all that we're wicked, idolatrous, blasphemous, misguided, doomed for all time, etc. It's tiresome. And you're quite wrong. God has no words except for what people put into his mouth, because he's a human invention with no reality except as an idea.
Religion is for people who can't handle reality. So are drugs, alcohol, and certain political ideologies. Theistic religion is a crutch. If it works for you that's great, keep it to your fucking self.
The Totem is an idol
If one believes the Totem can benefit or harm him in any way, he is an idolater, who associates the Totem with God Almighty.
If one prays the Totem thinking that it hears his prayer and can answer his prayer, he is an idolater.
If you glorify the Totem, fear it and have hope about it, you are an idolater.
So this is the idol, and this is the idolatry: which is associating the Totem with God the Creator, while the Totem in fact does not hear, neither see, nor can do anything to help the idolater or anyone else.
Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly is the Mahdi sent by God to warn people of the idolatry and to interpret the ayat of the Quran whose meaning is not known by people.
So not everyone is the Mahdi to whom God reveals the true meaning of the Quran. Therefore, I am not the Mahdi, and I cannot - of my own accord - interpret the mysterious ayat of the Quran that are unknown to people.
Then I follow the Hilly with his call to God alone without associate, as the followers of the prophets and messengers did when they followed their messengers.
And I am not proud like many disbelievers because God abhors the arrogant and the proud over His messengers.
Like those who were arrogant against Prophet Salih of the Thamood Tribe in the northern Arab Peninsula, before the Islam, and before Moses and Abraham:
Quran 7: 75-76, which mean:
(75. The chiefs who were arrogant among his people said, to those [of them] that were considered weak – to those of them who believed: "Do you really think that Salih is a messenger sent by his Lord!?
They said: "We are believers in [the message] that he has been sent with."
76. Those who were arrogant said: "We disbelieve in what you believe in.")
Uh-oh
Meh….If you’re not capable, that’s OK.
The Quran is not a totem, but is a heavenly book revealed by God Almighty, as had the Torah and the Gospel revealed before it.
The Quran is the word of God the Creator.
Quran 25: 6, which means:
(Say [Mohammed, to them]: "[It is God], Who revealed [the Quran]; [He] Who knows the Unknown secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth c.
For surely [God] is Most Forgiving [to those who repent], Most Merciful [to those who convert and believe.])
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c So He told you in the Quran about the past and the future, then how do you ascribe it to Mohammed who does not know the Unknown?
The Quran is the word of God the Creator.
Quran 25: 6, which means:
(Say [Mohammed, to them]: "[It is God], Who revealed [the Quran]; [He] Who knows the Unknown secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth c.
For surely [God] is Most Forgiving [to those who repent], Most Merciful [to those who convert and believe.])
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c So He told you in the Quran about the past and the future, then how do you ascribe it to Mohammed who does not know the Unknown?
So you think yourselves smart, while in fact you contribute to your own loss and destruction, like the past arrogant disbelievers,
I find concerning you this aya in the Quran 29: 40, which means:
(Each [of these] We seized according to his sin: We sent against some of them a pebble swarm i, and some were seized by the blast j, and We cleft the earth open with some of them k, and some We drowned [in the water.] l
God would never wrong them m, but they were wont to wrong themselves n.)
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i Those were the people of Lot.
j i.e. the great sound of the earth and its noise when the earthquake befell their land.
k He was Korah and his companions.
l Those were the people of Noah, and Pharaoh with his host.
m With the destruction that afflicted them.
n With their disbelief, association [with God] and their evil acts.
At least part of the first sentence above comes from your own words, right? If so, good for you!! Kudos!!!
Actually the Quran is a totem, of a sort.
So is the Bible.
They are things used to focus religious worship.
Now I know when you think of 'totem' it means something more likely like a spirit animal or somesuch, but it's not only that.
"A totem is a spirit being, sacred object, or symbol that serves as an emblem of a group of people"
So yes, the Quran is a totem, being it is a sacred object/symbol.
But I know you'll deny it, of course
I prefer not to say words of myself which are liable to wrong; the word of God in the Quran is infallible.
Moreover, Jesus Christ said about the Mahdi: the Comforter in the Gospel of John 16: 13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
These are the verses of the Gospel of John 16: 7-13:
"7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper [footnote: Or Comforter, Advocate] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Lord and you no longer are going to see Me;
11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them at the present time.
13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
So read them carefully if you are true to yourselves and to your conscience and unless you are Zionists and devils.
Moreover, Jesus Christ said about the Mahdi: the Comforter in the Gospel of John 16: 13
"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
These are the verses of the Gospel of John 16: 7-13:
"7 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper [footnote: Or Comforter, Advocate] will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
8 And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment:
9 regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Lord and you no longer are going to see Me;
11 and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them at the present time.
13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come."
So read them carefully if you are true to yourselves and to your conscience and unless you are Zionists and devils.
No wonder you agree with the idolater against God.... Jews in the past agreed with the idolaters of Mecca against God and His messenger.
I can sort of respect the obviously half-a-bubble-off-plumb individual who sees DA TROOF and goes to the effort to write it all down.
The people who swallow it hook, line, and sinker, not so much. They're either weaklings unable to come to terms with the universe on their own, or making a buck off it.
The people who swallow it hook, line, and sinker, not so much. They're either weaklings unable to come to terms with the universe on their own, or making a buck off it.