Mulcair predicts demise of Northern Gateway pipeline project

Cabbagesandking

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I think that is the wishy washy response I was waiting to see, there is a huge difference between until and unless. The first indicates that she expects it can be made right. Then she modified it to suggest she actually meant it would have to be proven, in the hearings or in economic terms. She doesn't want anyone to really know what she believes. Like a lot of the Liberals. It is more important to get re-elected than to have a stance on the issues.
Perceptive!
 

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It's time that Canada took the step that most other enlightened countries rich in natural resources have done.. and NATIONALIZE its petroleum industry.

Enlightened nations like Venezuela or the raft of dictatorial theocracies that have taken that position?

Thanks, but I'll pass on that.

At the very least we need to re-establish a publicly owned Petro Canada with a preferred and protected place in the extraction, refining and transportation of oil within Canada.. outsourcing equipment contracts to Canadian manufacturers.. and establishing environmental standards consistent with the best interests of Canadians.

PetroCanada was a loser until it was taken over by the private sector.

The enviro regs are already set by both the provinces and the feds so unless you are suggesting that the regs and industry be controlled by foreign interest groups and lobbies, your point is moot.

The Northern Gate was a complete sell-out of Canadians' birthright and sovereignty.. by shipping all of the financial benefits south.. including the huge profits of foreign international corporations which own the resources within Canada. The Conservatives are SHILLS for their interests.

Gateway has nothing to do with your comment about 'selling-out'... If that is your angle, you might want to consider "who" is putting up the hundreds of billions to develop the resources; the simple fact is that there isn't enough investment dollars originating in Canada to fund these initiatives so unless you prefer that the feds/province tax Canadians into the grave to raise that capital, the ore, oil, wood products, et al will remain in the ground for aeons.
 

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Enlightened nations like Venezuela or the raft of dictatorial theocracies that have taken that position?




Gateway has nothing to do with your comment about 'selling-out'... If that is your angle, you might want to consider "who" is putting up the hundreds of billions to develop the resources; the simple fact is that there isn't enough investment dollars originating in Canada to fund these initiatives so unless you prefer that the feds/province tax Canadians into the grave to raise that capital, the ore, oil, wood products, et al will remain in the ground for aeons.

Which is precisely what the anti everything crowd wants. Wouldn't want any real jobs in BC, it might raise the rates the rich retirees from elsewhere have to pay to get their lawns mowed.
 

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Enlightened nations like Venezuela or the raft of dictatorial theocracies that have taken that position?
Thanks, but I'll pass on that.

How about like countries like Norway?

The enviro regs are already set by both the provinces and the feds so unless you are suggesting that the regs and industry be controlled by foreign interest groups and lobbies, your point is moot.

Ah, the old foreign interest groups and lobbies card. Lock that step! What would you say to turning over the regs for the environment to national interest groups and ecologists?

Gateway has nothing to do with your comment about 'selling-out'... If that is your angle, you might want to consider "who" is putting up the hundreds of billions to develop the resources; the simple fact is that there isn't enough investment dollars originating in Canada to fund these initiatives so unless you prefer that the feds/province tax Canadians into the grave to raise that capital, the ore, oil, wood products, et al will remain in the ground for aeons.

Think about that a minute, Canada, one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest countries on the face of the planet, with more resources per capita than any other country, and which has been selling those resources now for a hundred and fourty-five years, can't raise the money to develop the resources. That is just stupid. At what point do we decide that we have to recover enough from the sale to be able to pay the costs?
 

taxslave

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Ah, the old foreign interest groups and lobbies card. Lock that step! What would you say to turning over the regs for the environment to national interest groups and ecologists?


That is the problem we have now. Many of the rules are written by people with no clue of the industry. This is especially true in forestry where they let people that have been to school but have no practical knowledge tell us how to log. Their lack of knowledge often causes more problems than it prevents.
Which National Interest groups did you have in mind? The ones that are trying to create jobs and wealth or the NIMBYs and NOPES that are trying to destroy the economy?
 

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Think about that a minute, Canada, one of the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest countries on the face of the planet, with more resources per capita than any other country, and which has been selling those resources now for a hundred and fourty-five years, can't raise the money to develop the resources. That is just stupid. At what point do we decide that we have to recover enough from the sale to be able to pay the costs?
More Bolshevism.

I'm keeping my eye on you.
 

beaker

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That is the problem we have now. Many of the rules are written by people with no clue of the industry. This is especially true in forestry where they let people that have been to school but have no practical knowledge tell us how to log. Their lack of knowledge often causes more problems than it prevents.
Which National Interest groups did you have in mind? The ones that are trying to create jobs and wealth or the NIMBYs and NOPES that are trying to destroy the economy?

Hopefully all of them, That should be the way it works after all. All interested parties and all the concerns need to be synthesized into a workable set of regulations. Would you agree that loggers are not the best educated about the impacts of logging on fishing? or erosion? or aboriginal rights? or economic well being? It is the same with miners, delivery truck drivers, and investment brokers. There has to be a broad range of input. Trust me, the logging execs have a powerful lobby going flat out all the time for their own financial interest whether it is through environmental, stumpage, input costs, labour relations, etc.

You wouldn't want to turn the forests over to those guys.

More Bolshevism.

I'm keeping my eye on you.

Hahahaha, hehehehe, hohohohoho Laughing, The guess who. And guess who was the most afraid of the Bolsheviks, that's right it was the Stalinists. Where do you fit in?
 

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I think the best case scenario is for this project to be completed safely with assurance that it can be continued safely, if not we'd better jump to finding a way!
 

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The "jumping" opportunity came and went a year ago.

A great article that details BC's lack of participation in the approval process to begin with....

http://www.timescolonist.com/Liberals+pipeline+stance+just+wish+list/6979928/story.html

One major problem I see with this whole enterprise is Christy Clark's involvement, what is best for B.C. is secondary on her agenda, first is making sure her own ass is intact after the next election. Her main opponents are mainly against the project and in her demented thinking she thinks if she thinks along the same lines she will steal votes from them. If this project can be done safely it's nothing but a win/win. We can safely put people on the moon, surely we can send oil through a pipe assured of it reaching its destination.