Motorcyclist and daughter killed when woman braked on highway to avoid hitting ducks

Sal

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I imagine she has a very good chance of having this overturned on appeal.



ha. I hope whoever said that comes across a moose or a bear on the road. I imagine their opinion will change instantly.
totally!
trivialization and diversion at it's best...
 

QuebecCanadian

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I'm disappointed but not entirely shocked. A man stabs his children
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repeatedly because he's pissed at the ex-wife and is found not criminally responsible but this girl is. Quebec justice at its finest. SMH
 

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A motorist must always be in control of his vehicle and drive in such a manner to be able to avoid anything in front of him. The motorcyclist was obviously driving too fast to avoid the stopped vehicle in front of him. Had the car been stopped for any other reason, mechanical failure, traffic jam, a crash, the motorcyclist and his passenger would still be dead because of the motorcyclist's inability to stop in time. I pray that this conviction will be overturned on appeal otherwise we'll have to rewrite all the rules around rear-end crashes.
 

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A motorist must always be in control of his vehicle and drive in such a manner to be able to avoid anything in front of him. The motorcyclist was obviously driving too fast to avoid the stopped vehicle in front of him. Had the car been stopped for any other reason, mechanical failure, traffic jam, a crash, the motorcyclist and his passenger would still be dead because of the motorcyclist's inability to stop in time. I pray that this conviction will be overturned on appeal otherwise we'll have to rewrite all the rules around rear-end crashes.


Now you are making sense, Walter. I'm proud of you.-:)
 

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A motorist must always be in control of his vehicle and drive in such a manner to be able to avoid anything in front of him. The motorcyclist was obviously driving too fast to avoid the stopped vehicle in front of him. Had the car been stopped for any other reason, mechanical failure, traffic jam, a crash, the motorcyclist and his passenger would still be dead because of the motorcyclist's inability to stop in time. I pray that this conviction will be overturned on appeal otherwise we'll have to rewrite all the rules around rear-end crashes.





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I'm totally flabbergasted by your response.


I've never seen you string more than 5 words together and it's cohesive .


Well done..........
 

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The biker was following a large camper ,his daughter was on the back of his bike and his wife was following on another bike, obviously he was too close to avoid the collision when the camper suddenly swerved out of the way and he was confronted with a stopped car, however i dont think his driving was reckless as none of the witnesses said he was driving abnormally, i believe he was going with the flow of traffic on a high speed expressway and was following the camper at a normal distance for normal conditions.
Remember also that he was distracted at a critical moment at the site of the woman walking back to her car mere inches from highspeed traffic.
IMO it would be the rare driver who would drive a half mile behind a truck/camper on the off chance there was something stopped in front of it. the biker paid the highest price for not following that far back, what price does our duck lady pay for her stupidity
 

QuebecCanadian

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The biker was following a large camper ,his daughter was on the back of his bike and his wife was following on another bike, obviously he was too close to avoid the collision when the camper suddenly swerved out of the way and he was confronted with a stopped car, however i dont think his driving was reckless as none of the witnesses said he was driving abnormally, i believe he was going with the flow of traffic on a high speed expressway and was following the camper at a normal distance for normal conditions.
Remember also that he was distracted at a critical moment at the site of the woman walking back to her car mere inches from highspeed traffic.
IMO it would be the rare driver who would drive a half mile behind a truck/camper on the off chance there was something stopped in front of it. the biker paid the highest price for not following that far back, what price does our duck lady pay for her stupidity
We'll see in August
 

QuebecCanadian

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Well she was found criminally negligent causing death...2 counts as well as 2 counts of dangerous driving causing death. Her sentencing is in August.

Well she was found criminally negligent causing death...2 counts as well as 2 counts of dangerous driving causing death. Her sentencing is in August.
In this case I don't think it depended on intent. But we'll see what the judge decides is a just penalty.
 

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Well she was found criminally negligent causing death...2 counts as well as 2 counts of dangerous driving causing death. Her sentencing is in August.


In this case I don't think it depended on intent. But we'll see what the judge decides is a just penalty.


I hope she has a good lawyer. I read in a law book years ago that you can not be convicted of a crime you didn't mean to commit, mind you I've also heard the motor vehicle act has a different criteria, so like you say we'll probably have to wait until August to find out. -:)
 

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I hope she has a good lawyer. I read in a law book years ago that you can not be convicted of a crime you didn't mean to commit, mind you I've also heard the motor vehicle act has a different criteria, so like you say we'll probably have to wait until August to find out. -:)

Bad book. There are lots of people in jail for crimes they didn' commit never mind think about.
 

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in my opinion the motorcyclist has lots of fault in this tragedy, but i guess because she wasn't suppose

to stop at any time on the highway, which they will say for 'no' reason, she will be

considered totally at fault, but the camper was able to swerve around, so then the motorcycle should

have done the same. not expecting that something was stopped in front of the camper, for me, isn't

good enough, he obviously wasn't paying 100% attention, and was enjoying his outing a bit too much.

if he and his daughter were just injured, and would recover, how would the story be different, because

they died doesn't change anything she did, or anything that happened, except the charge would not be

'causing death'.

her punishment shouldn't be any different in either case, death or not.

just because they died, does that take all responsibility away from the driver of bike?

he should have been braking the instant that camper swerved, obviously he wasn't 100% focused.

maybe he was looking away for an instant, or chatting with his daughter, enjoying himself, maybe

even laughing, and having fun, which is fine, but all of those things can take his concentration

away for a second.

driving is probably the most dangerous thing we do every day, but we are so use to it, but we should

never turn away, or take our task of driving lightly, never, especially when we have passengers, whom

are our responsibility, the difference between their life and death, is how we drive.
 

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in my opinion the motorcyclist has lots of fault in this tragedy, but i guess because she wasn't suppose

to stop at any time on the highway, which they will say for 'no' reason, she will be

considered totally at fault, but the camper was able to swerve around, so then the motorcycle should

have done the same. not expecting that something was stopped in front of the camper, for me, isn't

good enough, he obviously wasn't paying 100% attention, and was enjoying his outing a bit too much.

if he and his daughter were just injured, and would recover, how would the story be different, because

they died doesn'tchange anything she did, or anything that happened, except the charge would not be

'causing death'.

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That's pretty much the way I see it, when you are driving one of the cardinal rules is you don't run into anything in front of you. I good driver always drives expecting the unexpected. I think she was very foolish in doing what she did and deserves some penalty for a traffic infraction, but she certainly didn't cause anyone's death.
 

talloola

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That's pretty much the way I see it, when you are driving one of the cardinal rules is you don't run into anything in front of you. I good driver always drives expecting the unexpected. I think she was very foolish in doing what she did and deserves some penalty for a traffic infraction, but she certainly didn't cause anyone's death.

well you know, on a motorcycle, death can come quite easily when there is a crash, and the driver of the

bike, having his daughter on the back, should have been more careful than ever, her life was in his hands,

and there is a reason he crashed into her car, and we will never really know that reason, but it isn't

totally because her car was there, seems the camper managed to swerve, and that isn't an easy swerve,

much easier for the bike, who can also stop much faster than the camper, so i have my doubts about his

driving at that second, and that is what caused their deaths, 'her' actions were not too bright, but

she didn't cause their deaths, i'm sure.
 

JamesBondo

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furthermore, she should be charged and convicted of a valid offense. "dangerous driving" when she had already parked the vehicle? This is ****ing ridiculous.

this seems as ridiculous as charging a person for improper storage of a firearm, when the real crime is they took it out of storage and used it on someone.
 

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furthermore, she should be charged and convicted of a valid offense. "dangerous driving" when she had already parked the vehicle? This is ****ing ridiculous.

this seems as ridiculous as charging a person for improper storage of a firearm, when the real crime is they took it out of storage and used it on someone.

She parked the vehicle in a travel lane of an expressway. That is dangerous.
 

JamesBondo

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She parked the vehicle in a travel lane of an expressway. That is dangerous.
Yes, it was dangerous parking, but dangerous driving? Appearantly she look in her mirror, came to a complete stop, put on her flashers, the had time to walk down the side of the road before anyone came. How is that dangerous driving?