your problem is with Terrorists but you generalized and insulted all the mulims just looking at only some nations and their doctrins.
you seem more inferior when you try to show the infamies of some.
narrow-minded.
Mosque near Ground Zero
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your problem is with Terrorists but you generalized and insulted all the mulims just looking at only some nations and their doctrins.
you seem more inferior when you try to show the infamies of some.
narrow-minded.
See if you can follow the bouncing ball JTF...here's the string of posts which I was responding to, and then you responded to. Notice an absence on your part of declaring that "they" refers to schools of Islamic jurisprudence...
So, when I was talking about Muslims, and you then refer to "they" when quoting me, it's not clear to me that you're talking about Islamic schools of jurisprudence. You're introducing something new if that is the case, and you need to identify it as such. How was I to know that "they" means something else entirely.
So, when I was talking about Muslims, and you then refer to "they" when quoting me, it's not clear to me that you're talking about Islamic schools of jurisprudence. You're introducing something new if that is the case, and you need to identify it as such. How was I to know that "they" means something else entirely.
Yes in retrospect the misunderstanding is clear. By "they" I was referring to the non-"monolithic organizations", not individual people.
Sorry for the confusion.
Just go to Youtube, and no this is not the primary reason he wants to build the mosque there. The reason's he's given on TV have been:
1. to show that Muslims stand against terrorism and that the terrorists have failed to divide America along religious lines (though you seem to be giving them a partial victory);
2. Conveniently located for the local Muslim community.
As for that congregation having lost family members, no, as far as I know, that is not the primary reason they want to build that mosque. What I'm saying though is that he has confirmed that his congregation had lost members to 911, and so in my mind that gives that Muslim community more say in the appropriateness of the building of that Mosque than some guy in the Yukon what was comparatively unaffected but who wants to deny them that right.
By extension, I can imagine that family members of the Muslims who were lost in that tragedy would get at least some symbolic comfort in their chance to pray near where their sons and daughters may have died. This does not need to have been said. I can imagine it, and to me it's highly offensive and repulsive that people should take offense at the decision on the part of a congregation that had lost members to 911 to want to build a mosque near there, when the offended were not even affected by it.
Again, I'd posted a video above showing how even some non-Muslim family members of victims of 911 have nothing against the mosque, and another video on how some family members of victims of 911 even converted to Islam after the event.And now you come along and say that because some members of the community who have zilch to do with 911 are offended, that therefore the family of these victims ought to be denied the freedom to build a mosque there. Don't you find that to be a little repulsive to say the least?
Oh I did. I still didn't get the point though. They were rabbling off all kinds of prejudices without proof and just expect us to swallow it whole.
Not only am I not a swallower; I'm not even a sucker.
What I find repulsive is your constant creation of straw men. Your posts in this thread are so replete with them that it's difficult to carry on a discussion...constantly having to say "that's not what I said" is more than a little tedious. In your case I'm quite convinced that it's not the result of misunderstanding, but that you're being purposefully obtuse. I will however, do it ONE MORE TIME.
As I'm pretty sure I already pointed out in a previous post...no one is saying the mosque should be banned....no one is suggesting Rauf should not be ALLOWED to build his 15 story memorial (lol memorial). People opposed to the mosque are simply requesting that the Muslim community consider building it somewhere else. That's all, plain and simple.
Now I'm sure you'll find a way to interpret this post as being indicative of my fascist warmongering murderous xenophobic insensitivity to all who have been victimized in the universe. But that's your issue, not mine.
So what exactly are you saying then? We have some people across the US (and Canada it would seem) saying they don't want a Muslim community centre built near the 911 site. Meanwhile, the LOCAL community, the one most affected by this, and even family and friends of people who'd lost relatives in 911 have no issue with the mosque being built. So in that case I don't fully understand the relevance of what people on the other side of the continent think when those most affected are for it or at least not against it.
Could you explain that relevance to the topic, or were you just throwing it out as an unrelated topic? I may have misunderstood it as related, but if it was an aside, then why did you bring it up? Don't you think those most affected ought to have more of a voice in this than those who weren't so affected?
Or another question:
How do you think that congregation that had lost members in 911 ought to respond to those across the country who are opposed to the building of that centre?
How do you think that congregation that had lost members in 911 ought to respond to those across the country who are opposed to the building of that centre?
Okay....so the bigot brigade is worried about a Mosque being constructed a few blocks from the site of the twin towers.
How about this....
In Dubai they built the tallest building in the world,the Burj Khalifa, in 6 years...
In 9 years what has the US done on the site of ground zero?
NOTHING!
....and you turds are worried about a mosque?
Bin Laden must be laughing at that one.:roll:
How about this....
In Dubai they built the tallest building in the world,the Burj Khalifa, in 6 years...
In 9 years what has the US done on the site of ground zero?
NOTHING!
....and you turds are worried about a mosque?
Bin Laden must be laughing at that one.:roll:
Okay....so the bigot brigade is worried about a Mosque being constructed a few blocks from the site of the twin towers.
How about this....
In Dubai they built the tallest building in the world,the Burj Khalifa, in 6 years...
In 9 years what has the US done on the site of ground zero?
NOTHING!
....and you turds are worried about a mosque?
Bin Laden must be laughing at that one.:roll:
But where was the US to get the money for it? They were busy fighting a war with the Taliban and Iraq (not that Iraq had anything to do with 911 of course).
While some are focussed on building their nations, others are more focussed on building other nations.
lol the answer is right above in the text you quoted. Read it, it's not complicated.
lol so everyone who lives close to where the mosque is to be built supports it, all families of 9/11 victims support it. The only people opposed are in the yukon. lol.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying:
You have no problem with a mosque being built near ground zero, and are aware many do support it and many oppose it, but your mentioning that many oppose it was just a heads up but had no intention of suggesting that the local community ought to worry about what some across the continent think since they don't live there anyway?
If so, then I agree with you.
Yet people are only to happy to stare at a hole for the last decade.:roll:
The US is such a joke sometimes.
I'm well aware that some near ground zero oppose it. But seeing that the local council overwhelmingly voted in favour of it (and as it turns out, owing to zoning regulations the mosque did not even need council approval in the first place), and that that congregation itself lost members to 911, I don't see how opposition from the general community ought to matter in a decision being made by a congregation that was directly affected by 911 via the loss of lives. This is why I don't understand the relevance of some people opposing this when those most directly affected support it.
And if he looked at some of the videos I'd posted in this thread, he'd see that even non-Mulims who'd lost friends and family to 911 see nothing wrong with that centre being built at ground zero, and that some of them even adopted Islam after the 911 attacks in spite of the fact that family members were lost to 911.
So how is it that those who suffered the most can be so magnanimous while others who were comparatively little affected be so offended by it? They say they're not against it yet still insist on making sure the Muslim community knows they're not happy about it. It's like saying:
"Yeah, we live in a free country so you can build a community centre there if you wish, but just be aware that we think you're terrorists and so feel insulted by your action?"
Exactly. Somehow we are capable of making a distinction between the Christian Faith and pedophilia, and rightfully so. Yet we totally fail to make the distinction between Islam and terrorism. Pure prejudice.
Imagine if the local community came out in the newspapers and TV saying that if a local Christian community wanted to build a church next to a school, they were free to do so but ought to be aware that the community isn't happy about it, how would YJ and JTF react to that? I personally would think it would be offensive since it would be implying that all Chirstians are pedophiles. The same applies here with the mosque.
And the individual people are the actual terrorists involved in the attack and Al-Qaeda. Why should we become the enemy we so despise and show hatred towards Mulims just as Al-Qaeda shows hatred towards Christians. Al-Qaeda is to the KKK what Islam is to the Christian Faith.